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@WC_Ong I can't get MM2H unless I'm earning millions. I can't put my property on AirBNB. I can't get a great return from the long...
Sep 18, 2:03 PM
If developers get unlimited bullets, surely they tembak as many as possible, without caring about quality or overhang units. Limit their loan and gearing, then...
Sep 14, 5:31 PM
Just learn China limit developer gearing la duh. Ez. Those no-money mia developers do not allow holding so much land or pre-sales so damn long.
Sep 14, 5:29 PM
Well. I agree that approving new project will have more impact. These overhang units by property developer has no problem holding these unit vacant forever....
Sep 14, 5:00 PM
It is actually a very good idea to introduce a vacancy tax and I believe this is not the first time it's being talked about....
Sep 14, 4:38 PM
how you determine vacant, if use it for storage, or park my car, or a place to meet mistress, will it consider vacant ?
Sep 14, 10:37 AM
seriously? you want to restraint the developer by punishing the house buyer? why not simply not approving new project ? the government the culprit lar...
Sep 14, 10:25 AM
How much can you tax them? Do you even know how filthy rich those property developer are? They will easily leverage between the taxes paid,...
Sep 14, 10:05 AM
This is common sense approach. Simple yet genius. This need to be imposed immediately. In fact, it should've been the case decades ago. Especially in...
Sep 14, 9:58 AM
I hope the project including sufficient parking space and not like icon city and aroma commercial zone. Developing car park is not profitable and hence...
Sep 18, 1:55 PM
Overhang units? Buyer are left with minimal choice and overpriced projects. Forced to buy because of the fear of interest hike. Basically threatening citizen to...
Sep 18, 1:26 PM
Generally, people have "totally" no confident that next 2 two years could be better. Sad scenarios are yet to come !
Sep 17, 11:27 AM
Another waste of resources on a location that bound to fail. Paya Terubong is beyond save. This location is only for foreigners-bangla
Sep 18, 1:18 PM
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Sep 16, 9:12 PM
@jayden i bought it. Under PN4. Price affordable and very good location.
Sep 13, 3:56 PM
alma area. a No for me
Aug 12, 9:55 PM
anyone is buying here?
Jul 13, 11:01 AM
No developer will build affordable house or LMC flat like Queens due to complexity in design. There is only one rule that build affordable house...
Sep 13, 11:38 AM
@Bayan Lepas Queens Is very plain in colour actually alike affordable house in white colour. If you look into it carefully many of latest trend...
Sep 12, 7:50 AM
@ZenZenZen Queens waterfront is a U shape....Zen is flat wall....
Sep 11, 4:06 PM
ZenZenZen, Zen can't be compared to Queens Waterfront la... Based on the design appearance, Queens Waterfront look more beautiful and higher class.
Sep 11, 2:47 PM
100% agree... The Great Wall of Bayan Lepas! A special spot in Bayan Lepas.
Sep 11, 2:45 PM
@millionaire big jail with 'luxurious' seaview.. great pressure cooker absorbing sea breeze..
Sep 05, 11:01 PM
@millionaire I believe that's nothing different from The Zen development & Queens waterfront development if you look from building box architectural design. All similar....
Sep 05, 10:15 PM
Both placing together forming two big boxes. This is the most straightforward and affordable thing to build and it makes people feel stressful. Good architectural...
Sep 05, 4:25 PM
pm, may i know when launch?
Sep 12, 4:55 PM
congratulation to folks in Malacca for the revival of 46Billion Melaka Gateway Megaproject leaving Penang kampung in the dust.. Penangite still dreaming about their 'iconic'...
Sep 12, 12:19 PM
need to expedite those Penang project before the current government collapse and green men take over, time is running out...
Sep 12, 9:57 AM
Details please
Sep 12, 10:44 AM
Hi, I'm interested, got any more details about this project?
Sep 12, 10:35 AM
@kenny this is terrible as it will impact price appreciation
Sep 10, 11:03 AM
a lot of foreign worker staying there. good for Airbnb only. morning and evening expect very slow lift as all the foreign working filling up...
Sep 08, 9:57 PM
ok lar...maybe the skate park and public car park will be iconic , what can you expect when the person in charge lack vision and...
Sep 09, 11:56 PM
@chongching no lah, those from backward states normally adore what we have here in Penang, that's why they come here for their weekends for the...
Sep 08, 2:17 PM
I seriously don't understand the negative comments here when the state gov trying to improve and contribute back to the local Penangties by providing more...
Sep 08, 1:10 PM
@chongching Definitely not local, they never went to Esplanade or old times Gurney drive I think. Expecting every beach here like Odaiba or Florida I...
Sep 08, 8:50 AM
All of you sad commenters and haters here are not staying in Penang. You guys are from backward states. Dont jeles ye
Sep 07, 11:20 PM
Hope they consider building parking space in the park.
Sep 07, 4:06 PM
@Islander Haha...i do not know what your point is, you're way off with all your kampungs and civil level??? All I am saying is, we...
Sep 07, 3:02 PM
@cheong Not just Penang, after all, is about our civil level. Take an example, if you are attracted to Japan, because Japan is clean and...
Sep 07, 11:17 AM
well, this is nothing great to be honest, but better than nothing lah. We used to have our famous Batu Ferrighi beach once, but due...
Sep 06, 11:12 PM
@Penang House For Sale Cam share details?
Sep 09, 10:40 PM
I am interest to buy. Please contact me before I buy from developer if anyone wish to sell.
Jul 05, 5:14 PM
@kenny Yes. This is one of the most highend condo in this area. Very exclusive & good for investment or own stay too.
Sep 09, 2:22 PM
does this condo still high end?
Sep 08, 10:12 PM
the location pretty green and fresh but i don't like the build quality. The door quite thin like if you kick it it will break
Sep 08, 9:49 PM
@rezeki79 how u know the aircond pipe line not given?
Sep 08, 6:11 PM
Yes, increase rate to against inflation doesn't work in Malaysia, only giving excuses for hawker and tauke to increase price cost since most people here...
Sep 08, 8:52 AM
Grateful that BNM has made a conscientious decision as the conditions(inside/outside) now are getting bad. Hopefully, all will revert back to the rosy days like...
Sep 07, 7:18 PM
how can i apply it?
Sep 07, 11:08 AM
@Oh nice Food court should be a top priority, but still nowhere is happening. Every lunchtime you see many people going to Tambun to eat....
Sep 04, 5:20 PM
petrol station, grocery supermarket, a hospital is in the pipeline and for the pendatang , a Chinese primary school is coming soon, so most basic...
Sep 04, 3:37 PM
@Island Kia We don't jam on Monday to Friday, Weekend we got plenty of time to spend
Sep 04, 9:25 AM
For a property development to mature & succeed and for the population to move in in droves, you need to have primary and secondary schools...
Sep 02, 11:27 PM
they dont bother to do traffic study....its been like this...if it jam its ppl fault...
Sep 04, 10:45 AM
@xulih Nay，Tanjung Bungah/Batu Ferringhi is practically no assessment, N.A.T.O !
Sep 04, 10:36 AM
With this latest proposed development along the Tanjung Bungah Batu Ferringhi coastal road, the additional volume of traffic would create a massive traffic jam, unless...
Sep 04, 8:56 AM
Is the painting progress completed?
Sep 04, 9:27 AM
We are looking for place to stay at 1095sf or 1314 sf. If you are a direct owner, please drop a line @ fish.bird.187@gmail.com No...
Sep 03, 10:17 AM
@BF Rm780k with 2cp. Fully furnish. Let me know if you interested.
Aug 27, 5:28 AM
Looking for a 1095sf unit. middle/high floor, 1 cp or 2cp(preferred) and Hill VIEW, prefer direct owner, email to bfoh88@hotmail.com
Aug 26, 10:56 PM
Two adults interested to rent a place here, 1338 sq ft. If you are a Direct owner, please drop a line @ fish.bird.187@gmail.com No agents...
Sep 03, 10:14 AM
Hope they execute soonest possible and stop asking public reviews and opinions. No need more cost assessment, it will be loss economically down the road....
Aug 30, 9:36 AM
I agree with you, we need to see it as a long-term plan. Current solutions like widening and building more highways will serve as temporary...
Aug 25, 1:08 PM
@visitor According to Kishore Mahbubani (Singapore Senior Advisor), Singapore also forecasted or rather expected initial operational losses during their investment in the MRT lines, but...
Aug 25, 11:34 AM
https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/nation/2019/11/08/penang-lrt-to-lose-rm11-mil-in-first-year-to-break-even-in-its-5th-year/ Even before building the LRT, already seeing that the LRT will lose money until end of year4. Clearly, they have ridership problem. Long run,...
Aug 23, 11:38 PM
@visitor This subject to how strict is our execution. There are reasons why we still using palang to stop, no pay = cannot go, no...
Aug 23, 1:55 PM
Speaking about Singapore PR experience, Penang State Government can also consider ERP gantry idea along with the LRT/Transport Master Plan. This will incentivize the people...
Aug 23, 10:55 AM
Should just focus on the initial plan first ,ie from komtar to airport. After completion this line, then think of extension to mainland. I previously...
Aug 22, 9:25 AM
And when LRT is not workable, they will propose idea such as water taxi from gurney / jetty to FIZ
Aug 21, 6:01 PM
@Shirley EeKen After all these years, I start to think that flying carpet could be more realistic than Penang LRT.
Aug 21, 2:38 PM
Like children playing games, sekejap ini, sekejap itu. You don't need rocket size to know where the jam spot is, we have got something called...
Aug 21, 2:36 PM
May I know how to apply ?
Aug 29, 5:25 PM
I am interested in this project, can I know more details about this project?
Jul 13, 2:44 PM
how to apply ?
Aug 29, 4:50 PM
PM details, tq
Aug 29, 9:36 AM
PM Please, thank you.
Aug 16, 11:34 PM
pm please thank you
Aug 14, 2:41 PM
Pls provide more details for this project
Jul 20, 10:50 AM
@coolman LRT is not suppose to solve the last mile problems. That's why buses are for, lesser whole Penang Bus and more smaller areas buses.
Aug 25, 5:04 PM
bubble started to form and will burst just like in commie land. way too many project than is necessary....
Aug 25, 9:28 AM
Any updates on this project? Heard may get CCC this year..
Aug 22, 3:43 PM
@Gurney Best what you see right now on Q1 n Q2 road side decoration is not fully done yet. Got time can surf through master...
Aug 19, 12:27 AM
@Islander Gurney is a premium exclusive location than Q1 &Q2. Don't compare as Queensbay still up to level of Gurneybay. Q1 &Q2 don't think we'll...
Aug 17, 12:51 PM
@Oh nice Picnic is getting more common now bruh. Don't you notice Decathlon opens how many branches in Penang d, more coming. Skating is "playing...
Aug 17, 10:51 AM
@J ya, better surprise me, otherwise it will end up as picnic area for the kampong folks..
Aug 17, 10:28 AM
@Oh nice You will be surprised.
Aug 17, 9:30 AM
@Cindy I'm owner and resident of Novus. From the info I got, do not expect the road to be open in coming years, as the...
Aug 17, 2:27 PM
@jack Hi, has this issue been settled? i'm planning to buy a unit at novus. however, this has been my main concern. traffic would be...
Aug 16, 11:38 AM
Penang only have few years left when it aligns with the federal government ..this window of opportunity will close once the green men take over...
Aug 16, 11:38 AM
This will be good news for MRT/LRT in Penang. Awesome that it will be close to Penang World City and further increase the price of...
Aug 15, 6:01 PM
@Oh nice Let's not relate it to support of the political view, this is not a threaten regardless of who wins the states. We make...
Aug 15, 11:29 AM
ya more development funds for states that support the federal government, forget the rest since they are not interested in development anyway...
Aug 15, 10:02 AM
@Simon Market cycles are natural and inevitable. In fact, Msian property market has never been more stable and healthier in the last few years, there...
Aug 14, 11:10 PM
I have an apartment in Penang - * Can't live there because I don't qualify for MM2H anymore * Can't put on AirBNB because it's...
Aug 14, 2:55 PM
of course vacancy tax is extremely helpful. There is obvious reason unit are unsold. Inflated overpriced unit are the last unit to be taken by...
Aug 14, 10:04 AM
Vacancy tax will be good if it is enforceable. You can have one whole bunch of laws in Msia, but when there is no strict...
Aug 14, 12:02 AM
I am interested, please update me. TQ
Aug 14, 3:48 PM
@cheong leave Zen out because Zen is nearer versus the rest and the infrastructure is well designed and at a distance to mall. Jam will...
Aug 13, 2:15 PM
@cheong Different. If you talking about Condo near by highway & noise then Zen/The light will be same fate. You go visit Waterside residence &...
Aug 13, 12:37 PM
@Minion Actually all projects along that stretch of highways have the same problem, including Queens, Gold Coast, Zen, SummerPlace etc.
Aug 13, 10:57 AM
This project is next to the highway.. always jam
Aug 13, 12:13 AM
@Batu Lawan if for invest definitely go for the other projects in Penang World City. I already have offer for my units there but I'm...
Aug 12, 2:47 PM
@LL Absolutely. And the building directly next to the mall & couldn't imagine how's condition later when traffic jam & the waste/oily smell from restaurant...
Aug 12, 11:01 AM
The facade looks so dense if vs other projects at Penang World City
Aug 12, 8:42 AM
Great progress. That's the reason why I choose over The light city compare to Queens waterfront. IJM definitely more dedicated than Ideal in building a...
Aug 11, 7:31 PM
Thats why i got confused. Ronda ronda and didnt see any factory with big "Ericsson" signboard. Anyone has Ericsson factory address? Can share?
Aug 11, 11:30 AM
@visitor No? That's why the article says they are coming.
Aug 10, 3:36 PM
Penang got Ericsson factory meh?
Aug 10, 2:06 PM
Nice Article.
Aug 06, 3:04 AM
@BM LANG yaya,i buy aston acacia. Already received letter will extend until 2026.
Aug 10, 11:00 AM
Will this project will abandon again? Happen twice before! Next to this condo is a low cost flat........
Jul 25, 10:45 PM
Beware as certain units face cemetery directly
Aug 08, 9:46 AM
Hi, Did you get any chat group of this property
Aug 07, 3:51 PM
Rental increase to RM1850 now for 404 sq ft unit. Air BnB operator renting it.
Aug 05, 5:14 PM
Ok now Penang also follow the Selangor style of more glamourous name: Butterworth/Seberang Prai -> Penang East
Aug 04, 3:31 PM
- Penang on its way to becoming the MedTech Hub of Asia as it continues to draw in investors (17 comments)
@tualampah Agree with you at the very last statement
Aug 02, 11:31 PM
@Hemsley Batu Kawan is really similar as or kind of a shadow of Bayan Baru now so Bayan Baru property now worth million? a little...
Aug 02, 9:30 PM
Islander : Understand that more people are coming to Penang as we offering good job opportunity and attracting talent. But the traffic and infrastructure cannot...
Aug 02, 12:56 AM
LRT station in Batu Kawan maybe I only can see it in my next life.. XD Yet not to mentioned will LRT really solve the...
Aug 01, 5:16 PM
@hahaha Ya just kidding, Penang negara maju what unlike Kelante. No such thing as fail planning, traffic jam is absolutely normal in first world country.
Aug 01, 4:43 PM
@Saber I agree Batu Kawan is a new clean slate city to start with. But I doubt it is well planned, where is the LRT...
Aug 01, 4:41 PM
@Saber True. Batu Kawan is very much better as many projects are well planned unlike Island fully crowded with heavy jam. It's feeling better life...
Aug 01, 12:35 PM
And Penang doesn't get infrastructure is not because of the same party, but the central government, easily can see now we got LRT approved, hopefully...
Jul 31, 10:26 PM
@Islander That's the reason why Batu Kawan property become hot cake recently, the future is more brighter over there, at least the city can developed...
Jul 31, 10:24 PM
@Islander Well said. Good urban planning need some city life elements. Eg, new and pre existing land, buildings, roads, communal spaces, transportation, economic development, infrastructure...
Jul 31, 7:04 PM
@Islander That's why someone is trying to change la bro @vikymudaperai
Aug 02, 8:33 PM
@Minion Absolutely yes. That's better choice here like Mezzo even Arica. Queens residence even the Marina still non exist.
Jul 25, 10:53 AM
CP : @millionaire If you look at Mezzo which very much well develop by IJM. Q3 price may drop later due to low demand. Launching...
Jul 24, 11:13 PM
@millionaire Nope, figures don't tell, especially when it comes to "developer figure", they are highly manipulated. Money wise, to pay RM1 mil for a property,...
Jul 24, 2:38 PM
@millionaire If you look at Mezzo which very much well develop by IJM. Q3 price may drop later due to low demand. Launching price vs...
Jul 23, 10:42 PM
@millionaire Z*N > Q3 QW > Q1 + Q2
Jul 23, 4:18 PM
@Hemsley Yes, condo everywhere but not waterfront like Queens Residence. Yes, property price seen start to drop, but again not Queens Residence. Ideal just launched...
Jul 22, 2:08 PM
Penangite : all this while the main gov was handle by oppositions . they wont simply approve state gov proposal (especially Penang since not under...
Jul 24, 11:13 PM
all this while the main gov was handle by oppositions . they wont simply approve state gov proposal (especially Penang since not under them). Now...
Jul 24, 4:58 PM
Why build the LRT at Light City? The traffic situation getting there from Green Lane and Lebuhraya Lim Chong Eu from Weld Quay is now...
Jul 24, 10:07 AM
I remember my great grandmother told me the government was going to build LRT in Penang. She heard it from Francis Light.
Jul 20, 3:41 PM
@SB I heard LRT like when I was primary school? DAP won when I was secondary, now I working adult and jam traffic for 10years...
Jul 20, 8:50 AM
They should build the connection near Penang World City which is near to Z*n / QW
Jul 19, 2:33 PM
@Islander Everything starts with talking after talking 😉
Jul 19, 12:18 PM
@Islander This state election announce project first, next state election all the RFP, pre-pre feasibility studies only done, then next next state election only construction...
Jul 19, 10:00 AM
Sorry, we didn't hear anything here. We only accept those approved projects as real, other than that assume not happening. Too much bullshit and fake...
Jul 18, 10:58 AM
Agreed, please proceed and execute it fast.
Jul 18, 10:07 AM
那边已经很塞车了。如果不改变交通根本不行
Jul 24, 5:00 PM
With 980 units x 4 cars each will flood tanjung bungah with parking issues and traffic issues.
Jul 21, 3:52 PM
Asia Green is the best!
Jul 20, 10:20 PM
Don't forget on landslides which causing few of workers dead..
Jul 20, 3:24 PM
@jack because the developer is not as capable as AG
Jul 20, 1:20 PM
Almost 10 years haven't completed, nvm can blame the delay due to flood and covid 😀
Jul 20, 10:31 AM
Most importantly it must be freehold.
Jul 19, 9:56 PM
@whatlan, why rip to the buyer? was thinking to buy a unit here.
Jul 24, 12:50 PM
@Chye How do we even collapse if we don't have a big bubble yet?
Jul 24, 9:33 AM
According to the market gossips, are we at the verge of a collapse ?
Jul 23, 2:23 PM
@Wayne Yes sir, very big banner 100% Sold there quite a moment already.
Jul 24, 9:30 AM
Project SOLD
Jul 22, 1:04 PM
@Islander How do you catergorized of low dense condo now in Penang? Below 200 units?500 units? Or below 1000units? I believe this is an affordable...
Jul 18, 4:09 PM
@Islander Affordable but sustainable in future. Maybe not for you to own an affordable or LMC or LC before i guess. You might not know...
Jul 18, 9:04 AM
@MajorArches Expect affordable and low dense? Like you want Proton Saga but V8 engine? 1300 units is just a rookie number for affordable.
Jul 17, 9:21 AM
@CP 1000++ ture indeed. With seaview some more agreed with you too.
Jul 15, 10:06 AM
@MajorArches 1200 units+ consider normal nowadays. Even Quaywest also around 1300 units.. You have seaview at affordable price. What a steal..
Jul 14, 1:43 PM
I wonder why this project is not given to AG who has proven themselves to be the best developer
Jul 14, 10:30 AM
High density, maitenance fees is it suitable to sustain the building in the future ?? Guess might be no, increase and increase.....
Jul 14, 8:55 AM
@Sharon Seaview comes with expiry in Penang, by the time all these affordable done built, maybe you see IJM reclaimed the plot of the sea...
Jul 13, 8:58 AM
i wonder why developers build affordable houses near to the seaside when they can build high end condos, i bet this is because of the...
Jul 13, 8:52 AM
Build all super tall condos around the expressway. Form the great wall of Penang
Jul 12, 10:53 AM
there still available any unit for buy.
Jul 18, 11:00 AM
@cheong You may have a job but others don't! If you can't provide jobs, just shut up!
Jul 18, 9:11 AM
@cheong Have you brought in better investment? If not, then just shut up.
Jul 17, 2:02 PM
Hahaha, new factories, new workers, new first time house buyers
Jul 14, 8:49 AM
This investment?? Aiyo, these are the things that Spore no longer wants. Low tech, labor cost sensitive, only Msian donkeys still want this!
Jul 13, 11:52 PM
Obviously, Penang state is having very high ranking in the eyes of foreign investors. Hopefully, the possibility of coming political scenario of "some changes" won't...
Jul 13, 7:29 PM
I have being register for low and medium cost but still not received any notice can any body able to help me for more information...
Jul 13, 1:25 PM
Can booking now ?
Jul 10, 9:16 PM
Can a single adult who meet your housing criterias, qualified to apply for LC/affordable unit while whose parents already owned a residence?
Jul 09, 5:45 PM
Would to receive updates on affordable houses in Penang, both in the island and mainland.
Jul 07, 11:56 AM
Woul to receive updates on affordable houses.
Jul 07, 11:55 AM
Prepare for really undeniable super low maintenance rates which is could not afford to pay off expenses.
Jul 05, 11:45 PM
@Tan Retired Real resident here at Taman Robina, so I can comment that the jet noise nowadays is totally nonexistent when compared with Raja Uda...
Jul 12, 11:51 PM
- Owners of more than one home may consider selling on the possibility of another OPR hike (3 comments)
aiyo, if you own investment properties, but can't increase rental accordingly when OPR increases, that means you have bought some lousy properties.
Jul 12, 10:29 PM
@Asia Green you will only profit if those 3 houses are all AG projects
Jul 12, 10:39 AM
lol so she bought 3 houses expecting OPR never increase after covid?
Jul 12, 10:29 AM
@Asia Green but obtainable at a fraction of the true market value
Jul 12, 10:28 AM
Best million ringgit property in Malaysia
Jul 12, 10:10 AM
Great work by AsiaGreen for completing this right on time at tip-top quality! Congratulations to all the buyers
Jul 12, 8:52 AM
During March 2022, juga mention expected complete early next year la. Hopefully this time the early next year aint fake.
Jul 11, 4:08 PM
@JJ chin Now we look back this comment in 2020, so true. Comsume not no money to buy batu kawan house, just the development damn...
Jul 11, 2:58 PM
halo is anyone still survived after been conned to share what next for ?
Jul 09, 2:42 PM
Suria KLCC : Are you guys ready to sign SnP for this Versa on August 2023 ? What is the verdict. @Suria KLCC Yes!
Jul 10, 10:54 PM
Are you guys ready to sign SnP for this Versa on August 2023 ? What is the verdict.
Jul 09, 2:46 PM
Anybody already buy Pearl Botanic? Is that strategy location?
Jul 09, 7:24 PM
so ugly , still prefer the old one...
Jul 07, 5:24 PM
Irrespective of the efforts of our central bank, many banks are still playing "outcast" games of evading property valuations, eg. mark-up values in lending.
Jul 07, 10:20 AM
@AsiaGreeny we don't have to wash. Just go to google review and notice how many 5-star reviews given to Asia Green projects
Jul 06, 4:51 PM
@Asia Green Yup This CP and LL guys keep promoting asia green trying to wash their bad quality reputation.
Jul 06, 2:41 PM
@CP exactly, Qwaterfront psf has now dropped to below rm500 and still no buyer. Qwest is double of that
Jul 06, 9:34 AM
@LL Upnext we should look for The Pier(Zen9). It is another value buy project. Don't go for Qwaterfront as over price & low demand.
Jul 05, 10:23 AM
@CP Exactly! That's what I have been saying! 480k is just the purchase price, once CCC obtained the market value will be 680K, then 1M...
Jul 05, 9:13 AM
@LL Waiting for Zen6 &The Zen CCC on this Dec. Seaview with 480k only The Zen!!!!! What a steal obviously..
Jul 04, 4:21 PM
@Asia Green good things are worth sharing, so we all can benefit from it
Jul 04, 4:05 PM
Don't buy, previous project owe GRR for 6 months don't pay, developer is unethical and non trustable.
Jul 05, 4:02 PM
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