So many ongoing projects in that area, many are not even occupied.
Why keep on building?

@penangkia
To be honestly, it’s really over supply. I won’t buy anymore unit in this area anymore.

I think every property in Penang is sold with future price. Our developers all got the ‘vision’ to see that in future Penang would be very very populated 😀

@jack
Not populated but with vision of high income nation.
Another 10 years that’s no more land to build in Penang island prime location. If stated government unable to create more high skill professional high paid job then property market will in doom due to no demand. Supply vs demand always a decisive to see how property market to grow in next 10 years.
As of southern region of penang, i can see majority of upcoming new project near Queensbay are all premium & majority in 1M above in near future.

This project description seems like a twin brother to amarene.
in fact the illustration above shows 4 tower in which 2 of them is amarene.

you may want to check out how is it going with amarene…

@CNY
Not really. How about if developer build a smaller unit like 500sqf? Based on current market trend, most of developer will won’t increase price however the unit propose will be smaller & maller. For example like 500sqf buy selling rm600k. That’s to provide easy access to buyer into market. If they build a bigger unit like 1500sqf & sell like 1.6M. It’s difficult to get buyer hard sales.

Most of new project launching this year into market.

Maritime signature 400k+
The meg 500k
The crown 470k+

@EK Tan
The house you live in does not have to be as big as 1500sf, and not as pathetically small as 500sf. 900sf for a small family or couple is just nice.

Also, there is no need to pay RM1000+psf (as mentioned by you, RM600k for 500sf or RM1.6M for 1500sf) for an apartment, as you can easily get RM700+psf from resale market which are also brand new units. RM600psf for 900sf is only RM650k+/-.

@Maggy
I think what he tried to mention is about Queensbay premium location freehold title project. Actually i agree also future will be 1M in that area as most of land bought in higher price transaction. If you go Bayan lepas or relau as you said no problem to get a unit with 600k or 500k about 1000sqf. Amarene is a good project & now follow by this. And price up about 100k due to post pandemic cost increase. I believed all depend on location premium location then you have to pay premium price. Equally same as island & mainland. If you go mainland then you can get easily a Semi D or terrace but here only a normal apartment/condo.

@Man
I do not think what EK Tan tried to mention is Queensbay location as
(1) Maritime Signature is located at Karpal Singh Drive
(2) The Meg is at Tanjung Tokong
(3) The Crown is at Tanjung Tokong.

None of them is at Queensbay area at all.

@Maggy
Anyway, those are service apartment for aibnb friendly.
In Relau & Bayan lepas we can easily to get a unit with lower price per sqf compare to other prime area since supply more than demand. As you mentioned, 900sqf for rm600psf which i don’t think people will buy in subsale since oversupply. Even Fiera vista also fetch lower value in transaction.

I think oversupply problem is not only in Relau & Bayan Lepas, it’s everywhere. Just because a developer price it’s property more expensive than others doesn’t mean the demand is more than supply at all. It is not uncommon for a developer to sell expensive initially to increase profit, but then give a discount of 20-30% after OC later due to unsold inventory.

Don’t be tricked by the developer’s “sticker” game, meaning putting a “sold” sticker on unsold units in a sales chart just to give a false impression of good demand, and only to give big discount afterwards when they cannot sell those units, claiming that those units are still available because buyer cannot get bank loan.

@dilon
I agree that oversupply is everywhere now but Relau Sungai ara & Bayan lepas are top among Penang region. 20%/30% discount after OC it does happen also specially for mount residence/straits residence happen too and COD still plenty to sell specially develop exchange development cost to contractor by giving some unit to sell. But if another viewing, some project after OC increase by 10% or more in price due to good funishing & high demand/good scoring.

Anyone know about take up rate for this project?
This project layout is good but the price really too high in this area.
Is good if to buy for own stay.

Any commercial unit for sale?

Does anyone know if this project is open for booking?

@KrisK
You must be just walked out from MCO.
The project already start selling not just booking.
1100sqf to 1200sqf with starting from 660k to 730k.
Basically the concept almost similar like The amarene but the quality & design & material used probably much better than Amarene since many complain from buyers.

Wanted to know, is there any rebate for Lucerne project by buying developer unit ?? And is there any feedback or group for this project ?? I’m interested to know more as buying for own stay

Project does not seem to be moving and looks like stop at the moment. Too many condos around and will only add to more congestions. Moreover kinda high density and with such high floors.

Speaking from Ideal project experience, poor management from their related property manager, water leakage from many floors, high maintenance fee due to recurring faulty pumps and motor, crack building etc, etc. After warranty period over, residents will bear all these cost. Good luck to those who still insist to buy from them !

@Diana
You mean Amarene? I hear many complaints from Amarene. Crack/water leakage/bent wall/low class lobby entry.
However, Queens waterfront is extremely well. The material used & finishing really great.

@Lost
Yes. Just go and see and judge for yourself.
Cracked floor and water leakage/seepage will become major problems later on after warranty period despite whatever promises on repairs and rectifications. There are other issues as well and best see for yourself. Now with the increase cost of constructions and building materials, “buyers beware” of the end products that will be delivered.

@Bee E
I believed different contractor used.
However Amarene seen poor finishing.
If they able to duplicate the same material & quality of finishing from Queens waterfront to Amarene then it’s wonderful.
Hopefully Lucerne will get something different as price is highest among these area.

@Lost
Hi Lost

To be fair just ask around from those surrounding projects by Ideal if you want to know better on their developer related property management responses on defects and after warranty defects period. Anyway, you can always hope and hopefully don’t regret after high hopes.

@Bee E
I believe you suffer from all Ideal city project.
All project i can say finishing really doubt like what you said.
Amarene really terrible finishing not really good. Even the lobby entrance door hahahaha. Summersky….. Solaria square management oh dear..
The only project Ideal success will be Queens waterfront.
Qlassic scoring highest at 86. And Q2 probably more impressive maybe because of high price & material used.
However the price is shocking. More expensive than Tanjong Tokong. Faint….

Hi all, i am one of the amarene resident. I bought amarene because of the location near to workplace despite i saw many bad review on Ideal condo, another reason is I see summerskype has no bad review. But TBH, i feel regret now, as what mention by other owner from imperial grande / one imperial etc, the management (Po**tive Upa**) assigned by Ideal is not doing their job as management! It has been few months i move in to this condo, i am tired to deal with irresponsive ideal office and management, they like to play taichi and even rude in talking, i feel so disappointed of paying all the fee but unable to get the equivalent of service. You should witness by yourself, security guards on duty sleeping with leg on table during daytime near to lobby lift entrance, and this occur not only one time, security guards smoking inside resident lifts, RATS running around facility floor, even the lobby is so dirty and smelly, i really paiseh to show my new bought condo to my friend who visiting me. Please think twice if you want to buy ideal condo, make sure the management assigned is not (Po**tive Upa**). You will need to fight with management very hard only can get your defect rectify, or else, you will need to issue formal complaint letter to Ideal office. I witnessed the contractor top up water in my bathroom while i re-do my water ponding test, i catched them on the spot, they were shocked at first, but immediately talked very rude to me and tried to give lame reasons of why topping up water for my water pond test. Since January until now, i am so busy to deal with management for all those issue that they suppose to know how to solve, their ignorance make me regret of buying amarene. Please think wisely, no matter how attractive is the facilities and no matter how good is the workmanship, 3 years management by Po**tive Upa** will definitely spoil of your condo and the consequence is, you will be asked to pay more monthly maintenance fee for nothing. You should actually come to amarene and witness by yourself, see the rats here and there, smelly, and how they defined “gated and guarded”, how they jeopardize resident’s safety, see Management by Po**tive Upa** is so reluctant to settle even a small issue.

Hi all, i am thinking to sell my unit in Amarene, definitely cheaper than Lurcene, please contact me if interested.

@kelvin
Best developer of management will be IJM/Setia/Eco World/E&O.
If you deal with those developer then definitely you won’t come to Ideal. I can say all project are not well manage by Ideal except Queens waterfront.

@kelvin
Do not expect Po@#tive Up*#ya to solve the defects while under warranty period as happened at many Ideal projects. They will never and I repeat never take your complains seriously until warranty period ends. They will raise maintenance fee during AGM (sound familiar) and residents will eventually bear all the repair cost later on after warranty period. Just accept Ideal as affordable homes developer who cut corners with sub standard contractors. Really regretted buying from this developer !

May I know anyone here with lawyer background can provide your opinion, like how to sue the developer and management company? Which government department or agency can we deal with?

Amarene is a great project witj spacious layout & low density.
I visited friend house in here recently & facilities were impressive. However some crack line & defect able to observed in corridor & house unit. And lobby was good but with steel door & claimed to be part of design. Overall just looking good & some partial area to be improved.

@Award Project

If Ideal Projects are so great like Amarene, go buy one and experience the treatment from the Ideal related property management and the soon to be discovered defects. Seeing is different compared to the experience of owning one of Ideal condo. Cracks and defects are just what you saw and wait till you discover more issues later. Just speaking from experience having bought Ideal condo with full regrets, just ask those from Solaria and others.

@Goreng Kuat
I see. Thanks for sharing. Probably a painful buyer here with another poor experience. It looks like poor service given by developer after VP done for Amarene /Solaria & Ideal City.
How about Waterfront project by Ideal? Was it same service & issue provided too? The project seen impressive which quite different from ideal city. Looking forward someone share their thoughts.

@Goreng Kuat
You sell me your unit RM500k since so much poor quality & poor management. I will take risk & buy your unit & settle them. Come. Give me your email address. I will contact you.

@Hamilan
Great ! I was looking for buyer urgently. I have choices for you one at Forestville and another one at One Foresta. RM500K, no problem. Sold my Solaria already recently. Please let me have your email. Can arrange visit anytime too.

@Hamilan

I am willing to sell my unit as is where is (log stock and barrel) at that price 500K if you are interested at Amarene. Please give me your email. Will contact you.

@Hamilan I bought an Amarene unit at 650k, now done renovation and defects done rectified, i would like to sell it at 750k, are you interested?

Many complains Ideal quality is bad, my friends bought Setia Skyville also facing many issues, rainwater washed into the unit via the corridor, need to use carpet mat to block the water at main door. Lifts also affected after rainwater overflowed into the lift lobby at ground floor. If you want to experience that, just pay RM700k to RM800k and you will know.

Please share me your email. Thanks.
Will PM you privately. I don’t want all agent related come to me.
If you willing to let go around 500k then i’m interested.

@Joey Sim

@Goreng Kuat
Not interested in affordable house.
Only Amarene.

@Hamilan
Fantastic !, how to share email privately? Better be quick, genuine buyers only and hope not with budget pending loan approval. Few already contacted me. Cash buyer only.

@Joey Sim
Are you sure? This project is one of the worst finishing. Nobody want.

Hamilan :
@Goreng Kuat
Not interested in affordable house.
Only Amarene.

@Hamilan
Good luck

@Ryu
Any action taken from setiaskyville developer for the rainwater issue?

@Xoxo
That’s why Setia until today still many unit left. No solution. It’s design even corridor also left open & no balcony & just a tiny grill steel for you to hold. Risky.
For Ideal, you will expect some poor concept & finishing for all project except their Queens waterfront project. However, RIP also due to skyrocket high price.

Better stay in affordable house. Huhu

@setia cry
U bought a unit for setiaskyville?

@Xoxo
Yes. I like the concept environment overall.
That’s pro & cons anyhow.

ideal property famous with bad quality…why want to spend so much money 600k buying this piece of crap?

I bought Amarene 1200sqft unit from ideal too, I want to voice my disappointment here Ideal Management from Positive Upaya SDN BHD never helpful to resolve my defect claim, it has been 7 months since i took the keys, they cincai and pretend the defects were done repaired, in fact they are not. Wasted my time calling the ignorant and super lazy management staffs but get no response, i paid the maintenance fee but has no chance to enjoy the facilities at all, many facilities need to pay and rent, Ideal cheating! the management simply eat money, This kind of management behki please anyone, can help me to complain? VERY VERY VERY ANGRY AND DISAPPOINTED OF BUYING THIS CONDO, BEING CHEATED!

@Susan
Which facilities need to pay &rent?
I thought Amarene is very high-class? Which facilities no chance to enjoy? After 2 years then kick them out after JMB form.

Ju :
@Susan
Which facilities need to pay &rent?
I thought Amarene is very high-class? Which facilities no chance to enjoy? After 2 years then kick them out after JMB form.

Wait 2 years then form JMB things will get better? Pray for luck lah, by 2 years many unsatisfied owners also sold their units. Those badly implemented management rules also hardly get overruled because not enough majority votes from stay-in owners.

@jack
Then what is your suggestion & input?

@jack
I think you don’t understand meaning. Once you formed JMB then is up to owners to make the call. Even Ideal logo you want to remove from building also no problem.
All facilities you want to use without charging also no problem.
However sometime charge is refundable as to ensure all users took their responsibility here need to take care before & after used. After JMB formed definitely that’s plenty to improve & need coorperation from all owners. Even the fund turned to zero also all owners of management JMB need think of cost saving to make our condo live better & value appreciated. Those local security guard under performing please remove & change some professional guard by Nepalese as they’re more disciplined & follow rules set. In between this 2 years prior JMB we can only try to gather a group of owners and put pressure to management specially Kurang Upaya team. Ensure all defects fix & well preserved before handover to us. Or else they will wash hand & no more. By end of day all owners need to break pocket money to fix. Ensure all building structural are free of defects. If got defects pls push them max to fix & set our expectations. That’s all.

Little boy first time buy house?
Welcome to strata title living. If feeling unsatisfying please sell.
Nobody to stop you. This is common problem when new condo setup in Penang specially from this developer. No surprise. A genuis owner definitely will call a group owners & put pressure to management. Not just stick to this forum cry father cry mother. Active committee group need to form here. If you need a super nice condo & super nice management then go & buy in subsale. You can cross check everything before buying.

GUYS, I AM SO PISSED OFF AS THERE IS SERIOUS INCIDENT AFFECTING THE WHOLE TOWER 1 BLOCK AMARENE WAS HAPPENED LAST NIGHT! The top level of the building with TANGKI PIPE BURSTING AND CAUSED “DOWNPOUR” LAST NIGHT, I WITNESSED MYSELF THE WATER SPLASHED FROM TOP TANGKI ALL THE WAY FROM LEVEL 35 TO LEVEL 6 FACILITIES FLOOR AND CAUSED SERIOUS FLOODING TO LOWER LEVEL UNITS!!!

I ALREADY TOOK VIDEO FOR EVIDENCE AND SENT TO IDEAL. WHY SHOULD I PAY 600K++ FOR THIS KIND OF SIBEH LOUSY QUALITY FROM LOUSY IDEAL DEVELOPER. PLS ANYONE CAN HELP ME OR NOT? I HAVE HAD ENOUGH WITH ALL THESE “SHOCKING” INCIDENTS HAPPENED EVERY MONTHS!

ONE OF THE RESIDENT IN GRP CHAT EVEN COMPLAINT THE DEVELOPER WRONGLY INSTALL THE EARTH WIRE WITH LIVE WIRE AFFECTING HER WHOLE UNIT, NOW HER UNIT TAKE MONTHS TO HACK AND RESTRUCTURE BACK THE WIRING!

ALL THESE ARE SO STUPID MISTAKE, IDEAL DEVELOPER IS NOT EXPERIENCE AT ALL! POSITIVE UPAYA MANAGEMENT STAFFS HAVE NO MANNER ACT LIKE SAMSENG!

Jacky :
@jack
Then what is your suggestion & input?

Since buy already then accept everything that comes with the property, like Asia Green property fanboys in this website. If don’t like then sell off and cut loss.

By 2 years, many enthusiastic owners also frustrated and gave up hope already. Who knows developer and management side secretly add their people in AGM and form JMB supporting them. Owners just bite the bullet and accept lah.

And guys! The tangki pipe bursting again , we are now experiencing another “downpour”! Belum sampai 24 jams it reoccuring and tons of water are wasted like this! Stupid management! They dont even reply our message dont even border to investigate and explain why! We will sure sue die positive upaya and ideal!

Again

I shall mention

Rilex & Chillex

@Susan
Isn’t this very normal and common occurrences for most Ideal Projects? No?

Ideal will use their people to attend AGM just to secure the first 2 years (warranty period) management by P. Upaya. You get to see all these recycle faces attending the meetings during the AGM condos (for their completed condos) desperately from top to bottom management (if you know what I mean).

Despite all the complains to “Negative Upaya”, you will notice that they will never acknowledge your complains. Most complaints will be swept under the carpet. After warranty period over and new JMB takes over, the only way to nail Ideal Developer is only by way of legal means (inherent defects – tough tasks) which is very costly and time consuming. Finally residents still need to fork out all the hard earned money for all these repairs and drain off all the sinking funds.

Don’t believe?

Then go ahead and buy this new project from the developer when prices of materials had shoot up. After purchased, feel the excitement and experience from Ideal. Dont expect quality to be improved when cost cutting is inevitable for this project and others. Be alert and be informed !

@Tarak Upaya Victim

Can’t blame entirely on the developer. The government allow this to happen and allowed developers to walk away unscathed from this loophole abuse and money-making strategy. Aside from Ideal, there’s a lot of other local developer who build half-assedly. Like “The Stone” where the promised design and material is totally different. “Emerald Residence” who build floor that echoes footstep. Then like you said, Imperial “Grande” Project where piping burst and repair is a monthly household chores. But of course, if you’re lucky, then sometime 2 months to have this chores repeated.

Can’t really blame Ideal alone. It’s the government incompetence in penalizing such abuse of law loophole where once developer finish their work, a building is visible and then, no more responsibility/duty bound. Basically it’s becoming a tradition to for developer to offer great design, nice facilities and lots of lots of architecture attractions without compromising the quality of such.

But guess what? with all these problems. We’re going to have affordable housing expo next month where more project will be launch with such tradition and law abuse.

@FaithBian
Can’t blame developer Ideal alone? Wow !!!

I am not from the well to do family, my hard earn money and my first home and my expectation for a RM650K home bought from Ideal, yet I have to accept the sub-standard quality?

I am blaming Ideal for not providing the reasonable acceptance quality where my hard earned money is concerned. I don’t have other property and very dissapointed with this developer for their quality and lousy & pathetic property management !

@Tarak Upaya Victim
Based on your comment i will expect you mention of Amarene.
I’m potential buyer of their new project & interested to know what you have facing currently. Could you let us know your experience happen in your unit. Logically if i have my unit problem & if i fill up feedback form & developer able to rectify between 1 month & have a visit my unit together after then i will be fine. If after rework & meet my expectations then i will be fine. May i know your problem facing in your unit? Interested to know. I have no experience with Ideal yet.

@Tarak Upaya Victim
Could you share more experience encounter for you unit from this developer? Any problem difficulty? Interested to know..

@John lee

Just sharing the frustrations:
1)water seepage and leakage from upper floor onto my unit (dirty water – sewage)-wardrobe damaged
2) clogged drain pipes causing water to flood drying areas
3) mis-aligned toilet flush tank (no choice just to accept it unless want to hacked the whole wall)
4) screw stain (due to corrosion) – re-appear even after painting (could be due to water seepage)
5) rain water splashing into walkway corridor
6) bad management

Common areas plenty…go see for yourself

@Tarak Upaya Victim

It’s very unfortunate for us buyer when we have so little power. Although I understand your frustration from buying a property with your hard earned money. Of course our money is all hard earned. However, that’s the loophole developer can abuse and continue to abuse because there’s no intervention from government to penalize / forbid this practice.

The list of information you provided, there is no need for the developer to take responsibility. First of all, they provided a property for the money you paid. Secondly, there is no law pertaining the need for developer to provide sufficiently supplied materials to keep the quality/standard of a building for sustainability purpose. Thirdly, even if you can prove they did anything wrong, you got neither the ability nor the wealth to fight against a developer (multi-million company).

So, as a powerless buyer, we just accept it for what it is. That’s how government fail. If you don’t believe, try calling the Perumahan. The moment you disagree their “so-called conclusion”, they can just hang up your phone. You got nowhere to escalate the issue or find their manager about this. They will continue to makan gaji, and you will continue to stay in that bad condition 650k unit.

@Tarak Upaya Victim
Wow… Common area also got issue? Oh dear that’s bad. Seen like owners need to agreesively form a pro active committee to push them to rectify all these defect. I’m hearing about Tangki burst from top to down of unit too.

@John lee
Hi John, can you believe there are a lots rats running around facility floor? What if the rat urine contaminate the swimming pool and cause infection, could you imagine that?? The guard smoking, sleeping on the facility floor while ON duty. Not even half year took keys already saw all these. No condo is perfect BUT I believe only Ideal Amarene is SO SO CHEAP in Quality and MANAGEMENT by positive upaya because it is just 7months after took keys. The developer even want to talk about IDEAL CITY for sustainability, PUI! Shame on you Ideal!

I see somewhere the advertisements from facebook from sales rep I see it stated got early bird promotion. anyone know what kind of early bird promotion it have?
Only know from the website this free SPA and legal fees. Got other kangtao?

KrisK :
I see somewhere the advertisements from facebook from sales rep I see it stated got early bird promotion. anyone know what kind of early bird promotion it have?
Only know from the website this free SPA and legal fees. Got other kangtao?

1% discount, just back frm show room.

Is there a chat group for the owners/residents of this property? Would like to join, if there is any.

@Lucerne Owner
i think there is a FB group with the name of {Lucerne Residence Owner Group}

Is worth to buy it? as Havana + Maldives these affordable condo are just surrounding it.

@NotPenangLang

It’s from IDEAL, and it’s affordable.
We have plenty of samples of what will be around, like those in Sungai Ara.
Zurich, Genova, Costa Rica, Poerto Rico incoming

@NotPenangLang
Why not just go buy for Queens 3 starting from lowest floor 900k+ to 2M+ only…

@Hamilan
The Pier will be better option with that budget

@LL
The Pier too cheap.
Worry they hold the ball because 900k+ with The Zen design.
Once bitten twice shy.

@Hamilan
nothing wrong with Zen design because it’s so well designed right?

@LL
The Zen design & color is alike The Muze.

@ZenZenZen
The Muze copy Zen obviously

Zen can’t really be compared to Muze, it’s different, Muze design looks modern and luxurious while Zen looks like Hong Kong high rise style kind of apartments – Sorry to say that, in fact Zen gives me this feeling every time I’m passing by Tun Dr. Lim Chong Eu Highway… so high dense and stressful.

@Bayan Lepas

Great Wall of Bayan Lepas

@Islander
Are you saying The Zen affordable house or Zen6 condominium? Both different product catergory.

@Yeoh

Both placing together forming a long wall

Both placing together forming two big boxes.
This is the most straightforward and affordable thing to build and it makes people feel stressful.
Good architectural designs should prevent ambiguity to make them like this.

@millionaire
I believe that’s nothing different from The Zen development & Queens waterfront development if you look from building box architectural design. All similar….

@millionaire

big jail with ‘luxurious’ seaview.. great pressure cooker absorbing sea breeze..

100% agree… The Great Wall of Bayan Lepas! A special spot in Bayan Lepas.

ZenZenZen, Zen can’t be compared to Queens Waterfront la… Based on the design appearance, Queens Waterfront look more beautiful and higher class.

@ZenZenZen

Queens waterfront is a U shape….Zen is flat wall….

@Bayan Lepas
Queens Is very plain in colour actually alike affordable house in white colour. If you look into it carefully many of latest trend of highend condo painted in darker colour which Zen6/Marriott res/The Muze all in similar colour design.
No oftence & just sharing some thought.
And the U shape of building indirectly provide difficult seaview for many unit & if you see Zen6 all flat with unblock seaview even The Pier is next.

No developer will build affordable house or LMC flat like Queens due to complexity in design.
There is only one rule that build affordable house n LMC flat, that is just a big box with pigeonholes like Zen, just for one reason, cost saving.