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Tree Residency @ One Residence

Sungai Ara/ 14 December 2010 Leave a comment

“Less is more” is the design philosophy of notable architect Ludwig Mies van de Rohe. With the Tree Residency, the values of minimalism are fully exuded, conveying a sense of harmony that comes from simplicity.

The minimalism in Tree Residency, however, is not one of emptiness, but one that is out of the box, with bold use of lines, geometry and ratio instead of fluff to achieve a clean and elegant look. More importantly, the materials used to construct Tree Residency are environmentally friendly, as such bringing its inhabitants close to nature.

The overall design of Tree Residency is skewed towards garden living, with eight different designs to suit the different requirements of buyers. The club facility of Tree Residency is complete with badminton court, half-sized Olympic pool and other recreational facilities that will bring out the athlete in you.

Location : One Residence, Sungai Ara, Penang
Property Type : Corner Duplex, Link Duplex, Twin Villa
Land Tenure : Freehold
Total Units: 316
Developer : Ideal Property

 

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  1. Ahaun
    August 16th, 2013 at 16:12 | #1

    @thomas
    This was 4 weeks ago

  2. thomas
    August 16th, 2013 at 17:21 | #2

    @Ahaun
    New to me, hehe. Road name is not known yet right?

  3. Jezz
    August 17th, 2013 at 01:21 | #3

    Already know few months ago. The first role of houses from the guard house is ‘Lorong Rajawali 5’@thomas

  4. Bryan
    August 17th, 2013 at 01:57 | #4

    @Jezz

    Wow! We will have a long address;

    No. XX, Lorong Rajawali X,
    Tree Residency @ One Residence,
    Jalan Rajawali,
    11X00 (poscode), Sungai Ara,
    Pulau Pinang, Malaysia.

    I got 4″ LED down light, 12W, at ~RM35 each. Alpha 5 blades ceiling fans with remote control at <RM350 for 2 units Raya offer for members).

    Kitchen cabinet, with Quartz stone table top:
    – Glass cabinet (including wall cabinet) ~RM700 per ft run
    – Melamine board (Including wall cabinet) ~RM500 per ft run

    Anyone interested?

  5. thomas
    August 17th, 2013 at 02:13 | #5

    @Jezz
    Thanks for the info. Where do you access the road name?

    If I calculate from club house, the road along it is Lorong Rajawali 10, correct?

  6. pengemis
    August 17th, 2013 at 08:30 | #6

    anyone putting up the smallest unit for sale? pls whatsapp me at +6585715018

  7. Ahaun
    August 17th, 2013 at 11:07 | #7

    @Bryan
    Should be:-
    xx, Lorong Rajawali X,
    Tree Residency@One Residence,
    11900 Bayan Lepas,
    Penang

  8. Jezz
    August 17th, 2013 at 11:29 | #8

    thomas :
    @Jezz
    Thanks for the info. Where do you access the road name?
    If I calculate from club house, the road along it is Lorong Rajawali 10, correct?

    No worries. I got it 2 months plus almost 3 months ago from both developer and MPPP. As the road along clubhouse I’m not sure, since my unit is near the guardhouse so all I know is the first role infront of guardhouse is ‘Lorong Rajawali 5’ 😉

  9. cm
    August 17th, 2013 at 11:59 | #9

    hmm… rajawali macam not fit in with Tree residency, haha, but i doubt if there’s lorong pokok or tree lane for road name :) really quite a long address when need to fill up forms etc.. hopefully will get nice unit no.

  10. zip
    zip
    August 17th, 2013 at 12:10 | #10

    being blocked by guard when trying to enter.. :s

  11. thomas
    August 17th, 2013 at 23:14 | #11

    @Jezz
    I have checked with developer, they didnt reveal the road name. You must have special priviledge.

    @zip
    You have to survey the best time to enter.

  12. Tulan
    August 18th, 2013 at 10:36 | #12

    Did anyone check with Ideal lately on the VP/OC date? Si peh tulan keep delaying!

  13. Simon Lee
    August 18th, 2013 at 13:18 | #13

    @Tulan

    Why don’t you check and give me an update?

  14. Jezz
    August 18th, 2013 at 15:18 | #14

    thomas :
    @Jezz
    I have checked with developer, they didnt reveal the road name. You must have special priviledge.
    @zip
    You have to survey the best time to enter.

    Haha, why not you just wait and see if I’m right or wrong hehee

  15. thomas
    August 18th, 2013 at 23:41 | #15

    Jezz :

    thomas :
    @Jezz
    I have checked with developer, they didnt reveal the road name. You must have special priviledge.
    @zip
    You have to survey the best time to enter.

    Haha, why not you just wait and see if I’m right or wrong hehee

    I trust you. Are you able to check the road name along club house? This way it will be easy for the rest of owner to determine theirs. Kam xia.

  16. Tulan
    August 19th, 2013 at 06:50 | #16

    @thomas Be patient la..now more important is to know when can we all get the vp and oc

  17. CS Buyer
    August 19th, 2013 at 10:17 | #17

    Relax, let them finish off with a better finishing and touch up. 1 or 2 mth shud b ok.

    They wud play safe in term of time commitment…..from what i can see in my friends’ Sathu issue…They are responsive and listen to the owners there.

    so i wud expect them to do so here.

  18. Subsale buyer
    Subsale buyer
    August 19th, 2013 at 18:23 | #18

    Hi there! Tree residency really attracts a lot of interest and active participation of posting comments at its forum. I just cliched a deal to buy one of the smallest units at slightly > 1M. Expensive?? Well, depend on how you look at it. For me, it’s worth the buy considering it’s free hold, G&G with a built up area of roughly 2100 sq. ft. I own and stay at a leasehold DS linked house in Bayan Baru with a built up area of 1400 sq.ft. which commands a selling price between 700 – 800 K at the moment. I am not a speculator, my calculation is smple, an extra 700 sq. ft of built up area and a brand new house is worth it. The most important thing is that Tree residency is G&G after having to suffer the trauma of being burglarized twice in the last ten years in Bayan Baru. Hope to joint all you nice people next year, I intend to start renovating the new house after CNY and move in a few months later. See you then.

  19. Bryan
    August 19th, 2013 at 20:39 | #19

    @Subsale buyer

    Nice to meet you! How much loan you get? What is the bank value now?

  20. Subsalae buyer
    August 19th, 2013 at 21:44 | #20

    @Bryan

    Hi! I managed to get 80% of the amount I paid for the house from Maybank, add in legal fee, processing fee, insurance fee, valuation fee and other taxes, the loan amounted to about 850K. The interest rate is -2.45% of the BLR throughout the duration of the repayment period subjected to the fluctuation of the BLR.

  21. kotun
    August 20th, 2013 at 09:39 | #21

    @Subsale buyer
    Congrats. You are lucky as you manage to grab one just prior to VP and OC. It will be at different price once VP’ed and OC’ed. Join the TR FB group as there is a lot of photos shared there.

  22. Yee
    August 20th, 2013 at 09:47 | #22

    Kotun can you add me as TR FB group.thks

  23. Bryan
    August 20th, 2013 at 10:05 | #23

    @Subsalae buyer

    Which means the bank value for TR is almost 900K. Not bad at all.

    It is difficult to get landed G&G on island because this type of development required a big piece of land, where developers will prefer to built condo than landed.

    For the smallest unit, the built-up should be 2280sf, not including the balcony 132sf and car porch 484sf. Problem is the small back yard and wet kitchen. I still don’t understand why they do that.

  24. condomana
    August 20th, 2013 at 10:10 | #24

    @Subsale buyer,

    What makes you think that G&G won’t get burglarized?…:)…Aiyoh, why did you pay >RM1 mil for this shit hole!!??….:D….Maybe you should quickly sell off your old house when you can still fetch RM700k-RM800k (as you claimed) before the bear sentiment kicks in….:)..Otherwise you’d end up with tonnes of debt to be paid off until dunno when (I am making an assumption you’re not that rich since you are willing to stay in Sg Ara).

  25. kotun
    August 20th, 2013 at 10:49 | #25

    @Yee
    You need to get permission from Mookster…

  26. kotun
    August 20th, 2013 at 10:50 | #26

    Ah hah… the haze has dropped by…

  27. funny
    August 20th, 2013 at 10:51 | #27

    Those plan to purchase end of this or next year, pls think twice before make any big commitment, those unit launch from now onward be completed by 2017, ECONOMIC CRASH!
    The subsale price will drop.

  28. Bryan
    August 20th, 2013 at 11:15 | #28

    @funny

    Are you lost? This project is about VP soon.

    @condomana

    Have you sold your Brezza? You should.

  29. Thomas
    August 20th, 2013 at 11:42 | #29

    funny :Those plan to purchase end of this or next year, pls think twice before make any big commitment, those unit launch from now onward be completed by 2017, ECONOMIC CRASH!The subsale price will drop.

    Why do you say economy crash in 2017?

  30. limpehlah
    August 20th, 2013 at 12:02 | #30

    please ignore those who comment unrelated topics such as investment,bla bla bla.. and i think sooner or later they will not interested to come to this forum. This forum talk only about TR.

  31. Subsale buyer
    August 20th, 2013 at 13:53 | #31

    @condomana
    Saudara Condomana:
    Thanks for your concerns. I might as well admit that I am not a rich man and I never pretend to be one. I would grade myself as “average” but I was quite flattered when Maybank categorized me as “affluent” customer(LOL). I have settled my old housing loan long ago and I have no other commitments so to speak. Instead of spending 100-200K renovating my old house just as my immediate neighbour did, I prefer to get a new one. I also do not intend to sell my old house, I am in the process of applying to MPPP to convert the status of my house from residential to commercial and hope to get it done quickly, the locality has very good business potential.

    G & G of course doesn’t guarantee the area to be free of burglars but the incidence would be greatly reduced. With the cooperation of all concerned, we could turn it into a safe haven.

    Like I said before, I am not a speculator, I am quite confident that I would be shielded from any untowards crises be it economical or otherwise unless the country goes bankrupt then I would have no ideal what would happen to everybody.

  32. CS Buyer
    August 20th, 2013 at 14:44 | #32

    Here come the doomsayers gang, they have been saying this and that……since 2009 and movin from one forum to another.

    In Hokkien we said “unable to eat Grapes but complain it is sour”.

    Getting a “shit hole” better than no hole (bo kang tau) la!

    Let’s enjoy the “debate”…..Cheers!

  33. condomana
    August 20th, 2013 at 14:54 | #33

    @Subsale buyer,

    Bro, that’s cool. As long as you know what to do when the storm comes, you’re ok, although it still puzzles me why Sg. Ara. With what you have, you can actually own something much better in terms of upside and living condition (unless you have a special reason to live in Sg. Ara)……:)

  34. condomana
    August 20th, 2013 at 14:58 | #34

    @Bryan

    How much is Brezza going (RM/sqft) at the moment? I can see paint job already peeling. Looks like the building is almost collapsing?….:)

  35. Simon Lee
    August 20th, 2013 at 15:56 | #35

    @condomana

    I guess this area is convenient and booming if you are still wondering..

  36. Bryan
    August 20th, 2013 at 16:05 | #36

    @condomana

    No study on Brezza and no intention to! Just you suggest that the bear will kick off, so you should sell whatever property you have right now!

    Uptown could be a good place but it is not if you compared the township planing at southern island such as Bayan Baru and Sg Ara. And, you just can’t promote north side property to southern citizens and so as southern property to northern people. To me, the southern region traffic is always better although I take the worst place, Relau, compared to north side.

    And, have you been this region recently?

  37. condomana
    August 20th, 2013 at 17:21 | #37

    @Bryan,

    I am not trying to promote north side lah, I am not the Timur-Laut district officer!!!….:D..I was just wondering if Subsale buyer knows he can actually buy a much better lifestyle somewhere else with what he paid for this Sg. Ara property…:)…If he had consciously chose Sg.Ara, it’s ok. But if he had done so thinking this is the best he could afford, i’d say than he had missed out. There are many hidden jewels around waiting to be discovered…..:)

  38. kotun
    August 20th, 2013 at 17:55 | #38

    @condomana
    You are trying too hard to convince people that Sg Ara is not a good place. Hehe… seems not working. People are still buying TR at >1M. And this is pre VP and pre OC. With 1M property, buyer won’t simply close their eyes and commit to 1M. They should have done their homeworks first and have considered a lot of things.

    You should drive by Sg Ara south one day. It is booming. Drop your email or your cell phone here if you plan buy one from subsale.

  39. Kwai Ching
    August 20th, 2013 at 17:55 | #39

    Actually my opinions:
    (1) Those who bought from developer, ok as you just dont know the risk of crack/sink.. i repeat possible risk/crack, dont be sensitive as it did exist…. but if the guy up there jumping up and down very happy and bought from subsale, some more pay more than RM1 million, extra few hundred K YET dont know the problem, i think really StuXXd
    Hey guy, dont you realise all the ori buyers so warm to embrace and 1st question is how much you buy? They cannot wait to tell their wife, friends, relative that a guy have bought RM300K more than them 😀
    If possible, they want to parade you around that you have make them so happy and show your face to every one, that guy bought RM1.3 million and we only pay heck RM900K…
    Cheers….:D

  40. Bryan
    August 20th, 2013 at 18:07 | #40

    @condomana

    OK. Get what you tried to say. You may drive to Sg Ara SPI/ 1R area on 1 free day. Understand the projects and developments going on at this region. It may change your view that Sg. Ara is still the same with 5 years ago. I am referring to south Sg. Ara.

    Once I never consider Sg. Ara property.

  41. funny
    August 20th, 2013 at 18:18 | #41

    Aiyoo, no need to convince ppl that this sg ara area is not a good place, everyone here know that this is the worst area. If i hv money better buy some other nice area. Most of those executive, manager, MD work around bayan lepas area purchased property here due to convinient or nearer to work place and the cheaper landed property only can find here.

  42. Subsale buyer
    August 20th, 2013 at 21:19 | #42

    @ kotun
    Thanks. My daughter has joined TR FB group and I have seen all the pictures posted there. The whole family is very excited about moving to a totally different concept of living environment.

    @Bryan
    Hi! I fully concur with you regarding the size of wet kitchen and the dry yard, they are simply too small especially the dry yard which serves no purpose at all. These are the two drawbacks I could find from the layout of the housing plan. Anyway, I think a good interior designer would help to solve the problem.

    @Saudara Condomana
    Thanks again. After staying in Bayan Baru for so many years, I have grown accustomed to the surrounding area and many of my buddies are from Relau and Sg. Ara so it comes as a natural choice for me. I did shop around, for the month of July, the broker took my family and I from one housing area to another. We had been to Setia Greens, Setia Pinnacle and Sathu Residency just to name a few and finally my family decided on Tree Residency.

  43. zip
    zip
    August 20th, 2013 at 22:50 | #43

    Hi Mookster,

    I’ve sent email to the.revo.76@gmail.com to join the TR FB, but there is no response. Could you let me know is there any other way to join the TR FB?

  44. Mookster
  45. zip
    zip
    August 21st, 2013 at 12:41 | #45

    @Mookster
    thanks. I’ve been clicked the group join request few weeks back. The request is pending. Could you help to check? Thanks.

  46. Mookster
    August 21st, 2013 at 17:04 | #46

    @zip
    Zip – I am not sure if I extended the invite to the right one.. we are trying to clear up the backlog of FB Access request. (I still have a daytime job & doing this FB as part of community effort work). Check out your FB Mesg.

  47. Bryan
    August 21st, 2013 at 17:46 | #47

    @Subsale buyer

    For dry yard, I will build a wall to cover it up, and use it as a store room and place a washing m/c there. I will buy another washing m/c and place it at the balcony, wash and dry to clothes at the same place.

    For wet kitchen, you can actually extend it to the dry kitchen. But I will just leave it as it.

  48. Babycc
    August 22nd, 2013 at 23:36 | #48

    Any owner willing to let go, pls email me selenali97@yahoo.com.sg

  49. Subsale buyer
    Subsale buyer
    August 23rd, 2013 at 19:14 | #49

    @Kwai Ching
    Hi! I missed your comment the other day. Due to my stupidity, I failed to comprehend what you intended to put forward. You meant to say that only the first hand or original buyers get to enjoy the defects coverage as stipulated in the S&P. Can someone in the legal field enlighten me on this issue. I think a responsible developer would extend it to the subsequent owners as long as it’s within the two years time frame and no renovation or alteration works are done to the building.

    About paying >1M (1.01 to be exact) for the TR Duplex unit, it depends on how you look at it. For me, it’s worth it because I am going to stay in it. Even if the market value were to drop 20 or 30% overnight due to unforeseen circumstances, it wouldn’t affect me becasue sooner or later it will move up again.

    If you make a random survey on the island property market, you will notice the steep escalation of house prices over the years. In Sg. Ara or Lip Sin Garden for example, a 30 year-old single storey, free hold, intermediate terrace had been selling at >650K, some even close to 750K. A ten year-old DS free hold terrace with a land area of 1400 sq. ft. in Sunway Tunas fetches close to 900K. These houses need extensive renovation for comfortable living. So, I think the timing is just right for people who can afford to buy a house now instead of putting the money in the bank.

  50. Bryan
    August 24th, 2013 at 20:30 | #50

    Today pass by, the entrance was guarded. From outside, not much different from my last visit 2 weeks ago. Wonder how much time they still needed for VP. Pass by their sales office, nobody inside and look like a notice was pasted on the door. Probably not open today.

    The shape of the building constructed behind Ideal Haus look like a temple. Still no notice board explain the type of building being constructing.

    The road in front of Tree Sparina is in used and the existing road is blocked for the road widening work. The new road surface condition is a bit rough. The land clearing continued to until the 4 lanes road at South Home. So the road will be fully 4 lanes from South Home until the airport roundabout.

  51. Ahaun
    August 24th, 2013 at 21:21 | #51

    @Bryan yeah..nothing change..wonder why take so long…even some simple clean up also not done

  52. Penang Developer
    August 25th, 2013 at 12:59 | #52

    @Bryan
    I remember some time back that some one commented on this forum that that is a temple or columbarium for placing ashes of the dead. How far is that true? Can anyone give the latest update?

  53. JY
    August 25th, 2013 at 14:01 | #53

    Heard that is Tzu Chi, 慈濟 Any Tze Chi members can confirm?

  54. Ahaun
    August 25th, 2013 at 14:36 | #54

    Another facility.. i like it

  55. Penang Developer
    August 25th, 2013 at 14:37 | #55

    @JY
    Is it really Tsu Chi from Taiwan?

  56. beng
    August 25th, 2013 at 23:24 | #56

    according to contractor, the small building is the Nepalese temple which built by the owner of ideal. the big building is unknown yet. may be the same temple…

  57. Bryan
    August 26th, 2013 at 10:40 | #57

    @Ahaun

    Probably they don’t want to give VP during the ghost month. Haha!

  58. Leong
    August 26th, 2013 at 17:29 | #58

    Hi Mookster,

    I am one of the TR owner.
    I tried to click your link to enter the Facebook.
    However, there is no response from the FB link.

  59. Mookster
    August 26th, 2013 at 19:57 | #59

    @Leong

    Unfortunately, this forum does not allow clicking. You need to copy the whole link address into the browser to get access

  60. ken
    August 27th, 2013 at 14:02 | #60

    Hi, Kind of renovation works.
    our price are the most cheapest compare to others. we also giving good service.
    Specialize In :
    – Interior Design
    – Wiring
    – Wet Work
    – Plaster Celling
    – Furniture
    – House Renovation Tiling & Paint
    – Renovation & Contract Works

    kindly do call or sms for further information

    Ken (016-5045286)

  61. Doggy
    August 27th, 2013 at 14:07 | #61

    KEN, any website or facebook to view your past reno?

    Email? Need price for check

  62. HUAT
    August 27th, 2013 at 14:11 | #62

    Hi owners, may I know if TR will be facing gangster Contractor issue?

  63. Chocolate
    August 27th, 2013 at 23:29 | #63

    Very nice design!!!

  64. Roy Chen
    August 28th, 2013 at 00:56 | #64

    beng :
    according to contractor, the small building is the Nepalese temple which built by the owner of ideal. the big building is unknown yet. may be the same temple…

    No la.. It is for bangla one..

  65. kotun
    August 28th, 2013 at 09:32 | #65

    Aahh… the hazer.. never fail to try hard…

  66. kotun
    August 28th, 2013 at 09:34 | #66

    Seems like someone post few good photos on TR progress. There are 9 new photos added. Check it out…

  67. kotun
    August 28th, 2013 at 09:35 | #67

    He/she posted here. scroll up.

  68. Bryan
    August 28th, 2013 at 09:58 | #68

    Ya! Sure got haze one. Today AQI for Pg is 85, which is moderate.

    The photos are nice, comparable to condo facilities. Like living in a resort.

  69. chew
    August 28th, 2013 at 10:29 | #69

    Nice photo. Thanks for sharing..
    Can’t wait to get OC soon

  70. ken
    August 28th, 2013 at 10:33 | #70

    good morning Doggy,

    thks for interested!! may i hv your email will email to you some picture for my reno.!!

    It’s my email add : ken_mx@live.com

  71. Doggy
    August 28th, 2013 at 10:39 | #71

    @Ken

    Do you charge expensive? Mine is at mainland, do you do reno there?
    Not at the moment bcos trying to settle house issue first. Do you do partial reno bcos not doing full. For eg new gate, car porch area how much? Tia

  72. Doggy
    August 28th, 2013 at 10:41 | #72

    @Ken
    simple reno at new condo – eg kitchen cabinet, window door grilles – how much?
    Your quality workmanship and material Okie ?? lol

  73. ken
    August 28th, 2013 at 11:26 | #73

    Doggy,

    May i have your email add. to talk offline and further discuss

  74. Jack TR
    Jack TR
    August 28th, 2013 at 12:56 | #74

    Hi all TR onwers, I have sent out the first meeting details in the email list on 1/Sept Sunday. For those owners not in the email list, pls send in treeresidency@gmail.com for latest update.

    Thanks, Jack TR

  75. Leong
    August 29th, 2013 at 10:10 | #75

    Hi Jack,

    I have sent an email to treeresidency@gmail.com about 1 month ago to ask for adding me in the email loop.

    However, I didn’t get any reply from you.
    Could you pls help to add me in the loop ?
    Tks a lot.

    I can’t wait to move in the TR leh….yahoo….
    Hope all of us can make our living place become better & better….

  76. Jack TR
    Jack TR
    August 29th, 2013 at 11:26 | #76

    Leong :
    Hi Jack,
    I have sent an email to treeresidency@gmail.com about 1 month ago to ask for adding me in the email loop.
    However, I didn’t get any reply from you.
    Could you pls help to add me in the loop ?
    Tks a lot.
    I can’t wait to move in the TR leh….yahoo….
    Hope all of us can make our living place become better & better….

    Hi Leong, just noticed I missed your email, I already forward you the email. :)

    Thanks, Jack TR

  77. Bryan
    August 30th, 2013 at 13:56 | #77

    Saw the purple color up for the wall at the entrance. The words “Tree Residency” will be up soon, I guess. And a few big trees were planted at the road side of Jln Makhamah. Those trees were transferred from Jln Tun Dr Awang, I believe. Good job!

    Anyone know the when the new market will start operation? It is ready for some time already.

  78. RevoWithin
    RevoWithin
    August 30th, 2013 at 14:50 | #78

    I’ve sent a text msg to all For those who requested to join the FB group but pending for approval. Please check your “Other” inbox to reply.

    Thanks

  79. Ahaun
    August 30th, 2013 at 22:15 | #79

    @Bryan hopefully someone can tell us when is the vp and oc. Initially with the speed they are doing, i thought July can get vp..but seems they are slowing down on purpose.

  80. John
    August 31st, 2013 at 11:19 | #80

    @Bryan
    I heard the road will be extending to Jalan Tengah junction in future. Btw, just pass the new road in front of Tree Sparina, i think they had not complete the finishing layer yet until the other side completed.

    Btw, the tar road infont of kem entrance area really bad already,…must do complain to the JKR to repair…

  81. Guan Huat
    September 1st, 2013 at 10:25 | #81

    Hi there..anymore unit left?

  82. Subsale buyer
    September 1st, 2013 at 12:15 | #82

    @Guan Huat
    Hi! There are still many units waiting for subsale deals. Go to propertyguru.com.my. Choose Penang and Sungai Ara then key in Tree Residency. Call the agents listed there to get the best price. Be prepared to pay around 1 to 1.05M for the smallest Duplex link unit. Good luck.

  83. Ahaun
    September 1st, 2013 at 12:21 | #83

    After OC will be 1.1M or 1.15 M liao

  84. Bryan
    September 1st, 2013 at 15:43 | #84

    @John

    I am sure the whole Jln Tun Dr Awang will be widening in future. The question is when. And I think the new access road from 1R will only open after the road widening work completed. It could be after TR OC. Now look a bit messy there.

  85. Joanne Hui
    September 3rd, 2013 at 16:47 | #85

    Airport flooded Sunday, how was TR?

  86. Ectan
    September 3rd, 2013 at 18:54 | #86

    @Joanne Hui

    confirmed no flood at all for TR….

  87. Gail
    September 3rd, 2013 at 23:26 | #87

    Call up ideal n seems oc only available early oct. Anyone know whether it can be earlier?

  88. Ahaun
    September 4th, 2013 at 06:20 | #88

    @Gail how about vp?

  89. Bryan
    September 4th, 2013 at 06:48 | #89

    @Ahaun

    According to fren in Sathu, Their VP and OC come together. Maybe the same with TR? But seems like we can’t do any purchase/ booking for furniture/ renovation yet for this weekend perfect livin exhibition yet.

  90. limpehlah
    September 4th, 2013 at 08:08 | #90

    @Bryan
    earlier was June..then July..then Sept and now Oct…sigh…

  91. Bryan
    September 4th, 2013 at 09:51 | #91

    @limpehlah

    Ya…. those attended the gathering last Sun should go straight to Ideal office to ask for the answer. They may drag until the last day of the 3 years time frame since the first SPA date. All my plan on hold because of this.

  92. Ahaun
    September 4th, 2013 at 16:51 | #92

    @Bryan
    Aiyoyo..then VP next year November lo

  93. Bryan
    September 4th, 2013 at 17:22 | #93

    @Ahaun

    If they really can confirm next year Nov, I don’t mind. I can stop surveying around for my renovation and furniture, and enjoy the DIBS. What we want is a firm date.

  94. najib
    September 4th, 2013 at 18:07 | #94

    sorry to said that if this drag more then 3 years, you will not having DIBS… you have to pay the interest yourself

  95. Undress code
  96. Bryan
    September 4th, 2013 at 20:12 | #96

    @najib

    DIBS is valid until VP regardless how long they drag. Did I miss anything?

    And after 3 years, they need to pay penalty for late delivery too.

  97. Undress code
    September 4th, 2013 at 21:48 | #97

    @Bryan
    Dibs is not BTS. If 3 yrs still not ready, means it is abandon projects, where we need to serve loan instead. Really a shitty truth indeed

  98. Jezz
    September 5th, 2013 at 00:19 | #98

    Don’t worry, if it’s gonna be abandon project, Developer won’t wait until
    Now and leave it be a abandon project 😉

  99. Subsale buyer
    September 5th, 2013 at 10:27 | #99

    Hi everybody, I understand the anxiety some of you may feel over the late issue of VP/OC. Stay calm and rest assured that Ideal Property is not dragging its feet on purpose. There may be some problems that need to be ironed out but there is no justification to abandon the project at this juncture. Like playing a jigsaw puzzle, TR is now at the climax of fitting the last few pieces, so, enjoy the moment and have a nice day.

  100. Kenji
    September 5th, 2013 at 10:49 | #100

    Chances of TR being abandoned?

  101. Bryan
    September 5th, 2013 at 11:14 | #101

    @Undress code

    Not agree with your statement. The agreement of DIBS is until VP, not 3 years. 3 years in the SPA is the commitment to provide the VP by developer. They need to continue DIBS + the late delivery penalty if can’t delivery the VP as schedule. Let me know if I understand it wrongly.

    Btw, this project is ahead of the schedule, where it is only 2yrs from the SPA date. The project abandon is totally our of the picture. The topic we are discussing now is, developer committed to deliver early VP in Jun/ Jul, 1 yr ahead of their schedule according to SPA, but can’t keep the promise and delay until now.

  102. Satu dan Dua
    September 5th, 2013 at 12:30 | #102

    @Subsale buyer
    The latest rumour is that VP and OC have been rejected due to the sinking problem and some buildings have been built not according to specification. It seems that the authorities want these houses (I heard about 32) have to be torn down and rebuilt. I hope Ideal can solve this problem quickly or else this will drag for many many years to come.

  103. najis
    September 5th, 2013 at 12:42 | #103

    yea… heard the same reason about the land sinking/unstable issue… at least authority is not mum on this issue.. only those ignorant buyers still thinking that all is safe and sound and believe the guaranteed by developer that future will no issue…

  104. Ah chai
    September 5th, 2013 at 12:58 | #104

    @Satu dan Dua

    Dude, fix your hearing lost before passing around your rumours can? Appreciate..

  105. Jezz
    September 5th, 2013 at 14:01 | #105

    Haha, quite funny to read the above as I’ve just received a call from my seller to go do inspection together with him in this 2-3weeks time as developer has already called him on handling keys.

  106. Bryan
    September 5th, 2013 at 14:33 | #106

    @Jezz

    Wonder why developer haven’t call me up? Your seller receive call or letter from developer? Need to check my mailbox today.

  107. Ahaun
    September 5th, 2013 at 15:18 | #107

    @Bryan
    They will send out letter soon…..be patient…i have not received it either..

  108. Ahaun
    September 5th, 2013 at 15:42 | #108

    @Bryan
    Relax..the letter is on its way…. give 1 to 2 weeks

  109. Joanne Hui
    September 5th, 2013 at 15:47 | #109

    Looks like VP in 1-2 weeks time. Clap clap clap..

  110. Tan Lee Kim
    September 5th, 2013 at 17:03 | #110

    @Ahaun
    I also din receive. Maybe Satu dan Dua is correct? Can someone call the developer? I amvery worried? What is our homes will never be completed?

  111. Bryan
    September 5th, 2013 at 17:12 | #111

    @Tan Lee Kim

    Called d. Confirmed already VP.

  112. Bryan
    September 5th, 2013 at 17:13 | #112

    And, VP means OC sekali.

  113. Jezz
    September 5th, 2013 at 18:08 | #113

    Told ya! Never believe the ‘haze’ in this forum 😉

  114. Ahaun
    September 5th, 2013 at 19:00 | #114

    @Bryan you mean TR already obtained OC?

  115. Bryan
    September 5th, 2013 at 19:51 | #115

    @Ahaun

    Yes. VP + OC together. But I think developer still need time to write to banks and ask for money. Then only issue official doc to buyers. Just check my loan, loan have not released for VP stage yet.

  116. Jezz
    September 5th, 2013 at 22:26 | #116

    Bryan :
    @Jezz
    Wonder why developer haven’t call me up? Your seller receive call or letter from developer? Need to check my mailbox today.

    Well maybe they’re calling or sending letter phase by phase/ badge by badge 😉

  117. sj
    September 5th, 2013 at 23:57 | #117

    Yeah!good news!

  118. Mookster
    September 6th, 2013 at 08:57 | #118

    Too many rumor mongers here..

  119. CS Buyer
    September 6th, 2013 at 16:02 | #119

    so, which is the correct info?

  120. Bryan
    September 6th, 2013 at 17:15 | #120

    @CS Buyer

    Believe yourself and find the truth out there. It is just a call away.

  121. charles
    September 6th, 2013 at 17:39 | #121

    I just received letter from Ideal dated 3rd Sep that this month onwards buyer need to pay for the interest although the VP or OC application to MPPP is in progress. They also attached application letter and letter from the project architect. Anyone receive such letter?

  122. joyce
    September 6th, 2013 at 19:11 | #122

    I think developer having cash flow problem. Hello frens get ready $$$ to make the payment.

  123. Ahaun
    September 6th, 2013 at 19:14 | #123

    @Bryan Looks like your info is incorrect.. VP only not OC.

  124. Bryan
    September 6th, 2013 at 20:07 | #124

    @Ahaun

    Really? where you get the info from?

  125. Ahaun
    September 6th, 2013 at 20:43 | #125

    @Bryan
    Go to the TR facebook..there is letter of proof. Where do you get the info that OC obtained?

  126. Bryan
    September 6th, 2013 at 22:23 | #126

    @Ahaun

    Just collected the letter from my mail box. It mentioned that TR already obtained VP and now claiming for the money from bank. After developer received the money from bank, then you will be informed to collect the key plus do some payments. Buyers bare their own interest since 1st Sep.

    Now, the letter never mentioned about the OC, but the info from developer sales office, VP equal to OC. Based on my previous experience with this developer, no need to bother about the OC. I never realized when my existing condo obtained OC. After VP, we just go ahead to do necessary defect claim and renovation, and move in. So, I assume they claim VP = OC is correct.

    No need to be in doubt. Just pick up your phone and make a call to the sales office. It isn’t that hard, is it?

  127. Gail
    September 7th, 2013 at 05:47 | #127

    @Bryan
    I have similar letter which state application for VP rather than VP obtained. Will be great if can collect keys to view unit.

  128. Bryan
    September 7th, 2013 at 07:59 | #128

    @Gail

    Let me copy the key sentences from my letter:

    1. Letter from Ideal to onwer
    – Please be informed that we have obtained and sent out the claim for vacant procession for …..
    I break it into 2 sentences:
    – Please be informed that we have obtained vacant procession >> means obtained VP.
    – Please be informed that we have sent out the claim for vacant procession >> claiming the money from bank, and this is support by the 2nd letter sent to my bank dated 3rd Sep to claim the money for VP stage.

    2. Letter from Ideal to Bank
    – We are pleased to inform you that the construction of the above building has now reached the following stage(s) ……..
    stage 3 – On the date the purchaser takes vacant possession of the said parcel with water and electricity supply ready for connection —– 12.5%
    >> without VP, Ideal cannot claim this money.

    3. Letter from Ideal to MPPP – Lembaga Arkitek Malaysia (LAM)
    – Dengan sukacitanya kami membuat permohonan untuk mendapatkan Sijil Perakuan Siap dan Permatuhan (CCC) bagi projek tersebut.
    >> This is the application for CCC. CCC already replaced OC. The application is on 3rd Sep.

    4. Letter from Lembaga Artitek Malaysia (LAM) to Ideal – Perakuan Siap Dan Pematuhan (Borang F) – LAM/PP/ No.1376
    – Saya dengan ini memgeluarkan Perakuan Siap dan Pematuhan untuk bangunan/ bangunan-bangunan atas lot/ lot-lot…….
    >> To me, this is CCC obtained, on the same day of the application.

    Certificate of Completion and Compliance (CCC)

    Introduction

    In April 2007, the Government had launched the improvement to the building delivery system to enhance the competitiveness of Malaysia globally. This includes the issuance of the Certificate of Completion and Compliance (CCC) by Professional Architects and Professional Engineers as well as Building Draughtsman registered with the Board of Architects Malaysia (LAM) to replace the Certificate of Fitness for Occupation (CFO) issued by the local authorities. This new system is an effort towards self-certification and self-regulation approach in the construction industry.
    http://www.rehdainstitute.com/research-a-resources/property-development/ccc.html

  129. Bryan
    September 7th, 2013 at 08:06 | #129

    @Gail

    My long explanation is awaiting moderation. I cut it short here:

    Lembaga Artitek Malaysia already issued CCC to TR. CCC replaced CFO in April 2007. CFO replaced OC in much earlier time.

    CCC – Certificate of Completion and Compliance.
    CFO – Certificate of Fitness for Occupation
    OC – Occupancy Certificate

    To me, I am very sure that VP obtained together with OC (CCC).

  130. Bryan
    September 7th, 2013 at 08:10 | #130

    @Bryan

    You may read the Borang F (Perakuan Siap Dan Pematuhan) from LAM to Ideal, LAM/PP/No.1376, which attached together with the letter from Ideal.

    Perakuan Siap Dan Pematuhan = CCC

  131. Gail
    September 7th, 2013 at 13:01 | #131

    Thanks @Byran for clarification on CCC. Ideal confirm landed no need OC but CCC. Excited to get the keys n view unit. :-)

  132. Ahaun
    September 7th, 2013 at 21:36 | #132

    i have not received any letter yet

  133. thomas
    September 7th, 2013 at 22:39 | #133

    Called Ideal today, they confirmed letter has been sent out for vp application and interest starts this month. Key can be collected next month.

  134. Tulan
    September 8th, 2013 at 11:50 | #134

    How come I still see the electric cable hanging like nobody business. The name is also not up yet…Is that good enough for VP and OC?

  135. Joanne Hui
    September 8th, 2013 at 14:19 | #135

    @Tulan

    You are looking for TR for own stay or invest?

  136. kotun
    September 8th, 2013 at 18:06 | #136

    If VP in application, it means not VP yet. How could Ideal start to ask buyer to serve the interest if not VP yet? VP=Vacant Posession= You possess the key to the house.

    Do you think Ideal is playing any trick here, (asking us to start to serve the interest when I deal is the one who need to pay as per DIBS)? Should we complain to any government body about this?

  137. kotun
    September 8th, 2013 at 18:08 | #137

    thomas :
    Called Ideal today, they confirmed letter has been sent out for vp application and interest starts this month. Key can be collected next month.

    This sounds to me that VP=Key can be collected, is only next month. Which also mean we should not serve any interest this month, right?

  138. Ahaun
    September 8th, 2013 at 18:35 | #138

    @kotun
    what to do now? why need to wait that long ?oc obtained already or in October?. very confused now

  139. joyce
    September 8th, 2013 at 20:21 | #139

    Pls complaint to BNM oldlady, so she can take immediate action to abolish DIBS.

    kotun :
    If VP in application, it means not VP yet. How could Ideal start to ask buyer to serve the interest if not VP yet? VP=Vacant Posession= You possess the key to the house.
    Do you think Ideal is playing any trick here, (asking us to start to serve the interest when I deal is the one who need to pay as per DIBS)? Should we complain to any government body about this?

  140. Bryan
    September 8th, 2013 at 20:26 | #140

    @kotun
    @Ahaun

    No VP cannot claim money from bank, so bank cannot pay money to Ideal, and Ideal will not handover the key to owners until they receive the money, then no handover key means no VP……. This never end.

    This normally happened to most of the projects, where developer claimed for VP money from banks then only handover the key (after you clear all other miscellaneous fees as well). I am not too sure but someone mentioned here before that you can ask your bank to on-hold the payment if you think developer must handover the keys before claim for the money.

  141. tr
    September 8th, 2013 at 23:17 | #141

    Per my understanding, VP is referring to the status of a project, not about handover the key.

    So, as far as I know, unless you’re a cash buyer and pay the balance right after receive the letter, then you will get the key immediately. Otherwise, you still need to wait until bank releases the money, then only you can get the key. This takes ~2 weeks’ time (or 1 week, if bank reacts really fast).

    About DIBS, if I remember correctly about the t&c, it’s referring to VP (the status of the project), not about handling over the key… I believe this is to avoid a situation where purchaser purposely didn’t want to collect the key in order to save the interest, then he can take his time, one/two/three/… years, to find a buyer.

  142. cm
    September 9th, 2013 at 09:09 | #142

    tr :
    Per my understanding, VP is referring to the status of a project, not about handover the key.
    So, as far as I know, unless you’re a cash buyer and pay the balance right after receive the letter, then you will get the key immediately. Otherwise, you still need to wait until bank releases the money, then only you can get the key. This takes ~2 weeks’ time (or 1 week, if bank reacts really fast).
    About DIBS, if I remember correctly about the t&c, it’s referring to VP (the status of the project), not about handling over the key… I believe this is to avoid a situation where purchaser purposely didn’t want to collect the key in order to save the interest, then he can take his time, one/two/three/… years, to find a buyer.

    we get the same letter last week too, asked the sales the same question @kotun asked, and the explanation given as above quoted, which make sense to me.

    Anyway, fact is, money is coming out from our pocket starting now, key is coming soon, hope everything will be better & better for TR, a good neighborhood & community to live in ! Hello again to all new neighbors!

  143. Bryan
    September 9th, 2013 at 11:29 | #143

    @tr
    @cm

    I have the same understanding. I already started finalizing my renovation plan, and looking for contractors. No need to spend too much time on this question.

    Cannot tahan and bought some furniture in “Perfect Livin” yesterday.

    Now can we enter the site as VP obtained for TR?

  144. Ahaun
    September 9th, 2013 at 11:57 | #144

    @Bryan
    i don’t think they allow you to enter…

  145. tr
    September 9th, 2013 at 13:31 | #145

    @Bryan

    Agreed with you. Time will tell the truth eventually… I think it’s better for ideal to disallow (or not simply allow) anybody to go in. Otherwise, somebody could do something “funny”. Then, it’s going to be worse than wait for another month…

  146. Rachael Choong
    September 9th, 2013 at 15:03 | #146

    Ideal seems to be dragging its feet to solve the sinking problem and major cracks in the houses. Hence, we are not able to get VP yet. Now the guards have received strict instructions not to allow anyone in just in case the matter is leaked to the press. It will take at least between six to twelve months from now to get VP. Even that is the best case scenario. Lets hope for best everyone or else this project will be hanging forever and we have to start servicing bank loans soon.

  147. Simon Lee
    September 9th, 2013 at 15:35 | #147

    @Rachael Choong

    Thanks Rachael Chong for sharing the bad news on TR..

  148. Mad
    September 9th, 2013 at 16:03 | #148

    check the S&P, VP means vacant POSSESSION of the house, means you get the key and own the house from that time onward. How come VP cannot collect the key? There is a clause in S&P stated developer to notify buyers to collect key upon VP, if buyers not collect the key after 2 weeks from the notification date, then automatically considered accepted VP/key. Go back and check your S&P. Not fair to buyers serving loan interest without collect the key.

    tr :
    Per my understanding, VP is referring to the status of a project, not about handover the key.
    So, as far as I know, unless you’re a cash buyer and pay the balance right after receive the letter, then you will get the key immediately. Otherwise, you still need to wait until bank releases the money, then only you can get the key. This takes ~2 weeks’ time (or 1 week, if bank reacts really fast).
    About DIBS, if I remember correctly about the t&c, it’s referring to VP (the status of the project), not about handling over the key… I believe this is to avoid a situation where purchaser purposely didn’t want to collect the key in order to save the interest, then he can take his time, one/two/three/… years, to find a buyer.

  149. Bryan
    September 9th, 2013 at 17:11 | #149

    @Mad

    For your information, your bank release the loan today, you still cannot collect the key. Developer want to wait until all banks release the money for all units, then only arrange for key collection together.

    Your only option now is to ask your bank on-hold the payment until you collect the key.

  150. Mad
    September 9th, 2013 at 18:15 | #150

    @Bryan
    worth a try to ask the bank to onhold the payment while Ideal refuse to deliver the key. Ideal is not above the law. If not, don’t know how long we need to serve the loan interest before getting the key.

  151. Bryan
    September 9th, 2013 at 19:13 | #151

    @Mad

    I thought you early early already fill up the form to on-hold the payment?

  152. thomas
    September 9th, 2013 at 20:28 | #152

    Got the letters today

  153. Mad
    September 10th, 2013 at 08:38 | #153

    @Bryan
    Yes, gonna inform bank and threaten to report to HDA & Bank Negara. Isn’t Ideal violating the S&P term and Housing Act by not allowing buyers collect key upon VP notification?

  154. Leong
    September 10th, 2013 at 09:23 | #154

    I have received the letter from Ideal yesterday.
    I also feel not satisfied the way they ask us to serve the interest.
    The letter is dated on 3 Sep 2013, but then they ask us to serve interest eff from 1 Sep 2013. This is totally very unfair to the purchaser.

    Furthermore, all the supporting letter just showing that Ideal is applying the VP only.
    It means that the project haven’t got VP yet.

    I still remembered our booking slip is writing that we just need to serve interest once obtain VP.

    I propose all of our need to stand out and unite to talk to the developer this Sat (14 Sep 2013) @ 10 am at Ideal office pertaining to this interest charging & VP status.

  155. kk
    September 10th, 2013 at 09:34 | #155

    @Leong
    I am in ..see you there

  156. kotun
    September 10th, 2013 at 09:39 | #156

    How could VP when there is still wire dangling, and sign not up yet…?

  157. kk
    September 10th, 2013 at 09:41 | #157

    @kotun
    i share the same thought as you and i wonder what is so difficult about that?

  158. kotun
    September 10th, 2013 at 09:48 | #158

    Should we complain to MPPP that how could the architect give the VP when it is not really ready? Ideal want it to be ‘called’ ready asap, so they can stop paying the interest.

  159. cincin
    September 10th, 2013 at 09:49 | #159

    Hahaha, bank no money, developer no money, stupid buyer dont want to pay interest. Go and make report to BNM.

  160. Mad
    September 10th, 2013 at 09:55 | #160

    @Leong
    also we must protest to the bank before the 2 weeks timeline from the notification letter per S&P.

  161. Rachael Choong
    September 10th, 2013 at 10:13 | #161

    @Mad
    No point complaining as there is NO WAY Ideal can give the keys as per the earlier problems I mentioned – sinking and cracked walls in many houses (hence no entry to all). The architect is signing off to show that their work is done and they do not want to be dragged into the coming big mess when all the buyers complain and then force Ideal to allow inspection. That time, everyone…. be ready for a very nasty surprise.

  162. Bryan
    September 10th, 2013 at 10:27 | #162

    There is a name on the CCC letter from LAM, not sure any contact printed there. May call up this guy and question him how he can provide CCC in such condition.

    Good that we can have the gathering at Ideal office this Sat. But not sure ideal will entertain us as we are not represented the whole TR community. I guess we need to form a temporary residence committee, and appoint a official leader to talk to developer and local authorities regarding all coming issues related to TR.

  163. Simon Lee
    September 10th, 2013 at 10:33 | #163

    @Rachael Choong

    Like the way you surprised everyone. 😀

  164. CS Buyer
    September 10th, 2013 at 10:41 | #164

    Good Idea Bryan!

    Not a big worry, they still have so many projects in the pipeline.

    However you can use the State govt to pressure them. To do MORE THAN what is merely “fulfilling specifications and legal duties”.

    I believed they are smart enough to know that buyers especially the FTZ folks are also “smart” in asking this and that by VP. Hence give u some chicken feet first first lor…..then slowly the chicken wing and so on.

    Anyway, in order not to lose time, u may consider email to their management and copy relevant authorities and State Exco.

    Give them a chance to show they care. This type of game is not unexpected!

    Bye….damn busy now.

  165. Leong
    September 10th, 2013 at 10:52 | #165

    It’s still better for all of us gather in front of Ideal office this Sat @ 10 am.
    From there, we can have our internal discussion among ourselves first before we talk to developer.

    We can list down the question that we have in our mind and share out when all of us meet up on Sat. From there, we can try to sort out the solution and propose to developer.

    Ideal still have several project running now. So, we don’t be too over panic. We still have some negotiation power to discuss with them.

  166. yoyo
    September 10th, 2013 at 11:47 | #166

    I am not TR buyer, but I concern about the Sg Ara property.

    Let me share my experience in this DIBS…CCC thing.
    This is how it goes
    1) Received letter of VP obtained
    2) Start serving interest
    3) Received letter from bank, stated final loan released
    4) With the letter from bank, go to site office, collect key
    5) Appointment for join inspection
    and etc…..this item 1 to 5 takes about 3 weeks time. Can’t deny I am serving one month interest without having the house. However if you refused to do the item 2, how you can do the item 4? I think this all about trust ; give and take.

    Regarding the sinking issue, all the while only people huhahuha in this blog. No one really have a real evidence because no one has collected the key and inspected the house. I suggest you should do things according to the procedures. If the architect already signed of the VP, why you guys insists the house is not VP? Therefore, as long as you have item no1 mentioned above, my advise is just to follow the next items to be done. (VP status does not include the completion of common area. They still have one year to do it after the VP)

    Creating to many huha, just will drag the things. Afterall, i think this TR is a dream house of most of the people here. Why make it like a nightmare? Only my 2 cents.

  167. kk
    September 10th, 2013 at 11:51 | #167

    @yoyo
    i like your comment and thinking process..

  168. cm
    September 10th, 2013 at 12:02 | #168

    Leong :
    It’s still better for all of us gather in front of Ideal office this Sat @ 10 am.
    From there, we can have our internal discussion among ourselves first before we talk to developer.
    We can list down the question that we have in our mind and share out when all of us meet up on Sat. From there, we can try to sort out the solution and propose to developer.
    Ideal still have several project running now. So, we don’t be too over panic. We still have some negotiation power to discuss with them.

    agree, who ever has concern (whether on key, VP, interest, sinking etc)- is time to put into action and work out some mature/realistic solutions, instead of just comment in forum.

    pls confirm if the Sat group meet up 10am at Ideal is on, bigger voice to share our concerns is definitely better than feedback individually.

  169. cm
    September 10th, 2013 at 12:07 | #169

    @yoyo
    agree with you too, no point huhahuha here making it looks like a nightmare, what most important is to get the dream house we want at the end of the day (with or without hiccup / follow steps or not follow steps).

  170. Mookster
    September 10th, 2013 at 13:57 | #170

    Iam in for the meet as we need to collectively voice the concern

  171. Bryan
    September 10th, 2013 at 14:17 | #171

    @yoyo

    I have the same understanding. This is my 4th property that I bought before CCC, and all using the same process flow, which developer only give key after bank release payment. But we know that this is wrong, and we should start to probe to the developer as a sign that they cannot take us lightly. At least they should continue DIBS until key collection.

    I just checked with my fren, the developer gave them key first before collect payment from bank. So, no harm for a try.

    Regarding the sinking issue, I won’t say I don’t believe, but still 98% confident that no such issue in TR. I keep the 2% just simply nothing impossible in real life. My 98% confident come from my 4 times inspection in Dec, Mar, Jul and Aug (If I remember the month correctly) on site on my own unit. Not a sign of land sinking issue. Just skip those comment at the moment until owners collected the key and do their own inspection. What have to come, will come and not point to keep goreng the topic.

    Appointing an official leader is important. My previous experience with this developer is, they will not talk to individual as they think you are just an isolated case and majority owners no issue. We need an official letter with the signature of as much owners as possible, to appoint the temporary committee and chairman, to deal with Ideal for all sort of issues, and start monitoring the management team from Ideal and also the maintenance account. Those in FB group, please bring up this suggestion there as I believe there are already ~37 owners joined the group.

  172. Joanne Hui
    September 10th, 2013 at 14:21 | #172

    I would rather has Ideal absorb Sep interest if possible. Can use that to buy a new flat TV.

  173. Leong
    September 10th, 2013 at 15:09 | #173

    @ Bryan

    Good idea. If we really want to form a committee team, we definitely need to meet up at least for the 1st time to select the suitable person.

    From the meet up, at least we know what are the things need to highlight when the team is preparing the official letter.
    We also can try get to some experience sharing from those owner have signed up for DIBS for their previous property.

    Hv oledi called up the Ideal office and they are open on this Sat.
    I will be going there on sat.
    Hope to see all of you ….

  174. najis
    September 10th, 2013 at 15:14 | #174

    yea… i insist them to pay the DIBS interest until they hand the keys over… the interest amount is few thousands and i can get 2 air-cons with this amount…

  175. thunder
    September 10th, 2013 at 15:19 | #175

    can we meet up this Friday night 8pm to get all the owner signatures and appoint our temp leader?

  176. K
    September 10th, 2013 at 16:24 | #176

    I agree on the Friday night meet up to strategise.

    How about 9pm, at Ideal Office outside

  177. Bryan
    September 10th, 2013 at 17:52 | #177

    @najis

    You meant you inform Ideal about it and Ideal agreed to continue the DIBS, or your proposal during the meeting?

  178. Bryan
    September 10th, 2013 at 17:55 | #178

    @thunder
    @K

    If 8 or 9pm on Friday night, better come early on Sat morning 8-9pm for the discussion then go to Ideal office directly after that ~10pm.

  179. CS Buyer
    September 10th, 2013 at 22:41 | #179

    Rachael Choong :
    @Mad
    No point complaining as there is NO WAY Ideal can give the keys as per the earlier problems I mentioned – sinking and cracked walls in many houses (hence no entry to all). The architect is signing off to show that their work is done and they do not want to be dragged into the coming big mess when all the buyers complain and then force Ideal to allow inspection. That time, everyone…. be ready for a very nasty surprise.

    Please provide more details about the sinking? Is it true?
    Are u still talking about Dua ?

    Personally I have seen 4 units internally few weeks ago.
    3 units on the right side (if view from outside guardhouse) which seems nothing wrong. These are parallel to Sathu.
    1 unit on left side, saw some patches of repair on some wall. i wonder if the similar situation due to the left side of the project sloping towards river, parallel to Dua?

  180. Undress code
    September 10th, 2013 at 22:51 | #180

    @CS Buyer
    Logical thinking, dua got prob but also get OC too n ideal learn d mistakes through d hard way. So, even if TR got sinking issue, remediation had been applied, rite? D truth is out there soon.

  181. Undress code
    September 11th, 2013 at 07:52 | #181

    @CS Buyer
    Another fact..,… If d land got sinking issue , how did the fierra vista high rise building get approval? I believe d cracks b more severe??

  182. Bryan
    September 11th, 2013 at 09:52 | #182

    @Undress code

    Instead of saying land sinking, it is actually land stabilizing issue. Those building structure without piling will sink. Due Villa issue, the house is not sinking because got piling, only the car porch because they skip the piling process as they under estimate the land stabilizing issue. So, if my understanding is correct, FV will not have the issue because the whole build is having piling.

    But as I said before, 4 time inspections could not see any sign of sinking. Wall crack, for my unit, hairline crack got la. Sever crack, no sign. I believe myself at the moment, until other owners inspect theirs.

  183. Ideal
    September 11th, 2013 at 09:58 | #183

    There are too many doubts on Ideal. I’ve deal with them before and it’s really keeping me away from their property. When come to business ethics, Ideal is not a good developer. But i foresee TR is a good place to live in future. Unity is the best way to deal with Ideal. Good luck…

  184. Bryan
    September 11th, 2013 at 10:13 | #184

    I just on-hold my bank release to Ideal because Ideal insist to handover the key only in Oct, although payment is done now. So, it is very important for all of us to attend this Sat meeting to discuss with Ideal in group. As mentioned, they do not entertain my request to collect the key earlier because I am alone, even though I threaten to on-hold the payment.

    My agenda for this Sat:
    1. Ideal should continue the DIBS until key collection, if insist to do it in Oct
    2. Ideal should at least let owners inspect their house if want us to pay now and collect the key in Oct.
    3. Ideal have no right to stop owners to enter the site now as they claimed the project already VP.

  185. Bryan
    September 11th, 2013 at 10:17 | #185

    @Ideal

    I also deal with them before and understand their style. But I will not avoid their property as developer issues only exist at the initial stage. Now I still stay in 1 of their projects and the community are satisfy with the condo without Ideal.

  186. Rachael Choong
    September 11th, 2013 at 11:18 | #186

    @Bryan
    Ideal will NEVER allow entry as per my earlier comments about sinking and cracked walls. I passed by yesterday and security is very tight. The guard told me that management said that strictly no one to enter. Based on my conversation with him, it seems that the situation inside is bad. Good luck with the Saturday meeting (I will be there too) but I really doubt much can be done to force Ideal. The guards tell me that workers are trying their best to patch up work (superficial surface cover only) and they hope that owners will not be able to see the major damage to their houses.

  187. cm
    September 11th, 2013 at 11:21 | #187

    Bryan :
    I just on-hold my bank release to Ideal because Ideal insist to handover the key only in Oct, although payment is done now. So, it is very important for all of us to attend this Sat meeting to discuss with Ideal in group. As mentioned, they do not entertain my request to collect the key earlier because I am alone, even though I threaten to on-hold the payment.
    My agenda for this Sat:
    1. Ideal should continue the DIBS until key collection, if insist to do it in Oct
    2. Ideal should at least let owners inspect their house if want us to pay now and collect the key in Oct.
    3. Ideal have no right to stop owners to enter the site now as they claimed the project already VP.

    I am in for this Sat meeting with Ideal, can we confirm if to gather first by 8:30/9am on Sat then meet with the Ideal PIC at 10am?

    Bryan, since you have experience dealing with Ideal, can you also advise us at this stage is there any other documents we need to bring along or letter we need to prepare? (i.e. showing proof that we have request bank to on hold payment etc? ) Thanks!

  188. DV
    September 11th, 2013 at 11:24 | #188

    The ‘sinking’ issue will not surface until a couple of months (likely a year after key handover as the effect is gradual).. as experienced by dua villas. Inspection now means nothing. That is the reason why the repair work was so complicated as some owners have already renovated and moved in. However Ideal has not shirked their responsibility and have worked closely with house owners to work out amicable solutions.

  189. kk
    September 11th, 2013 at 12:08 | #189

    @Rachael Choong
    your statement is contradicting…u seems very happy with the crack

  190. thunder
    September 11th, 2013 at 13:19 | #190

    meeting at last minute, an hour earlier on saturday will make us look we are not organized & well-prepared… i propose we meet up on friday 8:30pm in front of ideal office to elect a leader and get all the owners signatures and print out the demand letter before hand in to ideal on tomorrow 10am…

    if we all gather in Saturday morning unprepared, most likely they will lock their office and won’t allow us to get in… i know they will do this..

  191. Bryan
    September 11th, 2013 at 13:25 | #191

    @cm

    This Sat meeting is not organized by me. I do not have the details. Probably you may check in the TR FB group. I may be there after 9am.

    Actually, I don’t expect fruitful discussion on this Sat. It is just a “tunjuk perasaan” to ideal. The person in the sales office will say, this is their company procedure, this is top management decision, management is not in/ out station and all kind of excuses you can think of.

    But we have to start this Sat meeting to group all TR owners together, then having another meeting with more owners, form a committee and select a leader with appointment letter, then sign petition on our request, maybe 3 copies, 1 to Ideal attn to Alex Ooi, the other 1 we keep with Ideal acknowledgment of receive the letter and the last 1 is to local authority. This much I know. The details, I can’t help liao.

  192. Bryan
    September 11th, 2013 at 13:36 | #192

    @Rachael Choong

    You want me to believe you or my own eyes? I love to believe you but I just can’t betray my own eyes.

    I am not saying you are totally wrong, but your last 3/4 statements are just pointing the issue without providing more solid information. You can’t blame if other owners don’t believe you. Tell me the name of the guard and I will talk to him.

    I believe the issue may be true, but I don’t believe you. I will take precaution base on your input and assist the owners here to get the truth.

  193. Rachael Choong
    September 11th, 2013 at 14:00 | #193

    @Bryan
    Did I sound happy when mentioning the defects? Oh dear. I am just as concerned. I agree that meeting on Saturday itself is not good. Perhaps we meet tomorrow evening somewhere at Old Town or somewhere similar and iron out things first. I do not know about the rest of you but I am prepared to see this matter prolong into months if not years. This is going to be bad as someone just said the sinking is supposed to show only a year after we stay. If it sinks now…. I dare not think about the severity of the situation! (Hope you guys would not perceive that I sound happy again as I am definitely not!)

  194. TRO
    September 11th, 2013 at 14:43 | #194

    Rachael…. just wondering, are you one of the TR owner as well?

  195. Bryan
    September 11th, 2013 at 14:49 | #195

    @Rachael Choong

    I am not the one saying you are happy. Just that you keep flagging the issue without involvement, sound more towards an outsider than an owners.

    You should on-hold your payment much earlier if you see the major crack by your own eyes, and believe it will take months to years to solve the issue.

  196. Rachael Choong
    September 11th, 2013 at 15:43 | #196

    @Bryan
    Honestly speaking, there is no way we can hold payment. Just have a look at the contract. The bank has got everything covered. The way I see things, Ideal will just go ahead with the least draw down and bank will commence interest on owners (I am included – I work in the finance industry I should know). So to those who have wishful thinking to hold payment, there is nothing we puny buyers can do. Look at those abandoned projects. The owners are paying installments even though the house is not theirs. So those hoping to confront Ideal, please do not get your hopes up. Ideal and banks have the upper hand. Bet they are laughing reading at the comments here.

  197. Simon Lee
    September 11th, 2013 at 15:55 | #197

    Rachael Choong is in TR. Run for your life if I were you. Haha..

  198. Bryan
    September 11th, 2013 at 15:59 | #198

    @Rachael Choong

    I already on-hold the payment. Ideal can’t give evident that owner has claimed the VP, as stated in the letter to bank.

    Those abandon project installment is only on those amount that bank already released. For this case, if your bank already released the money, and I on-hold it, assume the project abandon now, you will serving your 100% loan (probably minus the last 5% kept by the lawyer), but I will only serving my loan without the VP stage (should be 15% for VP).

  199. Rachael Choong
    September 11th, 2013 at 16:34 | #199

    @Bryan
    Anyway, I hope all works ok but by the looks of it, Ideal has a big headache now. I bet they are exhausting all avenues to try to solve or at least superficially solve the problem and then leave the owners to hold the baby. Is the Thursday meeting still on?

  200. TR Owner
    September 11th, 2013 at 16:42 | #200

    Intending to let go my unit 22X70, interested pls mail me
    xkcax@yahoo.com.sg

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