where is the exact location ? I am interested to know more about the surrounding. any advice or recommendation ?

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site owner pls remove my comment, seem like the site is not that close to Perwira.

any hse layout plan ? heard have 4 themed parks, have master plan to show?

any site office nearby?

Anyone know if this is a good purchase if for own stay? If working at butterworth.

@D
If you choose a unit make sure it is far away from the railway line, the train vibration & noise can be menacing 24/7, if you stay there it is better to use NS highway via tambun exit to go butterworth rather than stuck in the jam or traafic light on the trunk road.

Thanks. But I don’t know where is the existing area or is there a flooded area? Any new projects going to launch at nearby besides this project. IJM did not provide the actual price but should more than RM400k, this consider higher at that area?

FYI: (found from IJM website)
378K for Link semi-D
499K for Semi-D
590K for Bungalow
598K for Link Bungalow,
seem not bad, but the site is too far to goto Penang compare with BM Utama/BM Permai.

Thanks, any flies nearby or any potential future development at nearby? Right now the only more closer i can see is Tesco and not much. The price will only confirm by end of the year but sure will up. Really hard to catch up the property even in mainland also and further too far from bridge. Do you think is worth to stay or invest? High future appreciation? Thanks.

22×48 build up for Semi D ??? this is the smallest build up i ever seen for Semi D. IJM really treat penang people r pig, slaughter kao kao till see bone.

I call up the office – yes, the build up is small. the land area is also small

hi all,may i know this project has been launch?
This is a flood area?
How much the price?

i’m ok if they sell the small semi-d for terrace price

many more news on Permatang Sanctuary?

any more news on Permatang Sanctuary?

is the layout plan ready now?

They plan to launch it on coming Nov. The build up is small, like terrace size only especially on its width(22 for semi-d, 20 for linked semi-d). Because of the size is small, then the price also not high –> around 400-450k.

notice chicken farm opposite to the project area

Will there be facilities like swimming pool or gym?

@BD

Acoording to the SA, no facilities, it is non G&G, but only guarded.

what is the different between guarded and gated?

What is the difference between semi d and linked semi d?

Linked semi-d are usually have back to back linked together

Linked semi-d , the roofs of the houses are joint together and every unit
has a side compound.

Linked semi-d means that you do not have back garden, it is linked to your opposite neighbour house at the back. So it is like fully extended at the back, and your house shares the same back wall with your rear neighbour’s house.

should name it as Quarter-D …. haha …. just a 2 cent suggestion

Surrounding area got lot of bangladesh, go check it and see 😉

@PenangHunter
exactly… just draw a big square, then draw another bigger square enclosing it, then draw a cross to divide the squares into 4 quadrants. This should be how the plan of 4 linked semi-D looks like.

Good for investment/investment? Any expert advice?

Am no expert. Just personal opinion.

It is always more favorable to invest in large scale project than small isolated one. You should go for it if the location suits you.

Also, the developer is IJM. Plus point is the security you had. Should have less worries the project is abandon or delayed.

Already approaching end Nov, any latest news on its launch?

Yeah I would like to know too. Ijm seems like a good developer?

I called the IJM office today, understand that they will have soft launch by mid of Dec. They are open for registeration now.Anyone who intereste to know more, you can contact this number 04-2961288.
I will give them a call after 2 weeks and see what information that I could get and will share it out here.

@Kee

No doubt IJM Land is a good developer, but the problem of this project is its surrounding taman(s) not good, the location and security there also looks bad, may be will have flooding issues too as the land there is low, you can see developer is planning for big retention pond in this project, and unfornately this project is not fall under a gng concept, it is just having guarded but without gated concept.

If IJM Land can upgrade this project to gng concept then it might be a worth buy, but by doing this, the estimated selling price sure no more 400k-450k, it might be above 550k -600k . 😉

I will not buy

To build it in the middle of a jungle and to attract buyers, the developer
associate it with “Eco Living”.

J&J :
To build it in the middle of a jungle and to attract buyers, the developer
associate it with “Eco Living”.

Haha.. like this!

@K9
Last time Alma land was cheap and used to be a place for lower cost home, but for the past 5 years things have changed, with influx of better houses like Alma Indah, Seri Impian, Impian Residences, Jesselton Hills, Desa Impian etc. Perhaps more to come after IJM. Buyers may have current Tesco and future Jusco in mind. The site is quite close to main federal road, not that isolated actually. But the surrounding shops are really an eyesore.

So its neither “Eco Living” nor “Economical Living”. The area now is
ecocatastrophe by the living beings.

@BD

Agree on some good housing developments in Alma area, but those good housing development areas not adjacent to this project 😉 . Not only surrounding shops an eyesore, the nearby old housing areas that built by asas dunia last time also looks no good. I more concerns on the security there, that’s why i’m curiuos on why IJM Land not build a gng concept for this project, may be because of the cost i think.

going to soft launch this coming 17’s saturday for earlier bird discounts n 0 entry package given!!!

DNP and IJM head to head! Don’t know whether this project will catch the eyes of IJM’s loyal customers/investors or not… If too many investors buy here, then it can be a problem…

＞438k for linked semi D. is it worth? Only attraction nearby is Tesco

Not worth, the area are packed n flood prone. Too far for bridge, no school nearby. IJM really cut throat, shd boycott them.

Why always mention bridge? Not everyone work in Pg OK?

There are 2 Chinese primary schools nearby and the JSHS Sg Rambai & Tasek are also not far away.

The land at Jusco site has been cleared now.

It’s IJM and we should expect higher price, even though we don’t like it, like Mahsing, SP Setia, E&O etc.

Becos for tis pricing, mainland ppl definately will not buy. Left only island ppl to invest but not much of pulling factors. So not worth to talk also

I think Jusco is a decent pulling factor. If the Impiana commercial hub can be a success, then it will add icing on cake. For an “original” BM guy like me, I think this area is ok, just the price a bit steep, unless IJM can give a bigger built-up.

Anyway, 2S Semi-D in Pearl Villa S Ampat also start at this price, and 1S Semi-D at the adjacent Desa Impian also about 320k now, though they are not linked Semi-D… mainland ppl can still afford to buy this place, I’m keen to know its respond.

Now u got it right, the build is totally at losing side. Semi d for 20×47 n 22×47 is totally out of league. This small build up not worth for 450k at all. Wat is so great about jusco? I bet no ppl will everday shop at the expensive stuff.

Never mind about the size even if it’s a terrace house, I will buy for 600k
if the location is near to Habour Place but not here. If it’s 700k in Sg.Ara,
I wouldn’t buy either.

@BD
Wanna to ask:

Is Permatang Sanctuary that side got many flies, got shit smell or not?
Is it near Chick or Pig Farm or Broiler or not?

If compare to Jesselton Hills, Permatang Sanctuary should be much better choise right?

Will u go to see see look look on this project?

Hypermarket is always used as a point by developers to attract buyers, and Jusco is a “more prestigious” hypermarket. If inside Jusco or the ICH has stuff like TGIF, Sakae, i-dragon, McD, MPH, Popular, Giordano, Chatime, GSC, Redbox, banks etc, then Alma will be a happening satellite town.

@KH
You can go to sit at the coffee shop there and experience yourself. I think there is flies issue there, but may be not too serious. There are farms deep inside the area. Can’t really compare both Jesselton Hill & Permatang Sanctuary now, as P sanctuary actual plan and price not out yet. Location wise Jesselton seems a bit better, more centralized with more alternative routes to use. P Santuary is close to railway track. If got time I’ll definitely go and “keh po chi” there, but not going to buy.

Anyway, the >438k price is confirmed?

I have no idea whether the price is confirmed or not leh …

Website only stated Link Semi-D 400K Bucks onwards, Semi-D 450K Bucks onwards …

Price seems like much much cheaper & reasonable than Jesselton Hills leh …
Actually I am interested on this project …

House Appearance Design also more beautiful and attractive I think as compare to Jesselton Hills …

I stay in Singapore, hence I do not have time to sit at the coffee shop there to experience the flies condition, to identify whether got shit smell like Pearl Villas @ Pearl City or not …

Btw, actually how far is the Permatang Sanctuary to Tesco & Jusco leh?

Is that Permatang Sanctuary location Good?

U mentioned that there r 2 Chinese Primary School there? Is it near to Permatang Sanctuary?

Price is confirmed. 438k is the lowest.

How about Semi-D Price leh?
Is there any Promotion Package leh?
Confirm will be lanching on 17 Dec 2011?

It not consider semi d, it shd call it by terrace house bcos of the small build up. IJM really treat BW ppl dunngu

Got a chick farm opposite the site. Besides, there are a few within 500m radius.

@divinity
That means Permatang Sanctuary side should have many flies & also got shit smell liao lah?
Because so many chick farms located so near to PS …

@KH
If u have decided to buy in this area, then both Jesselton Hill & permatang Sanctuary should be alright. You can choose according to your preference, everyone will have their own opinion.

You can study the wikimap to see the location of Tesco, future Jusco, chicken farms in relative to both projects. http://wikimapia.org/#lat=5.3154067&lon=100.4855919&z=15&l=0&m=b

The 2 chinese primary schools are 1. SJKC Permatang Tinggi, just about 1km drive (2min) south of P sanctuary, 2. SJKC Sin Ya, about 3km drive (5min) north of P sanctuary.

@KH
price from 438K for link semiD and it’s ZERO entry promotion booking this coming sat and extra 20K off to be given for 1st 40’s owner who book for the phase1!!!!
^_^

don’t know got Q-up status as previous ijm’s project??

what does zero entry promotion means?

Until you look at the actual site which close to a chicken farm then you will lost your appetite

@central unit
Permatang Sanctuary near chicken farm? How far?
Means should have many flies and Wonderful Shit Smell liao right?
I very concern on Flies & Wonderful Shit Smell Issues …
I visited Pearl Villas, Pearl Garden, Pearl Indah @ Pearl City, I totally can’t adapt to it !
Jesselton Hills also near chicken farm? I saw Ayamas Broiler just behind it … Jesselton Hills show house also have many flies …
Seems like so many chicken farms surrounding Alma Area lah …

Don’t get cheated, this soft launch phase contain all weird unit. the standard unit size only 30 Feet With, but 98 Feet long loh…but honestly…checken farm is just 100 Meter away for the farest unit. meaning some is just behind your house, somemore, indah water (Logi Najis) also there. Last…the recreation park is actually water retention pond. Plp dun mind actually worth for buy.

Rentention pond will bcome centralization of rubbish collector. Chicken farm is just a stone throw away from the site. The lot size is not square shape but odd shape. The built up is 20×47, 22×47, shd call itself as terrace la.

Though the build-up is narrow, but the land at the side is bigger. Some people may prefer to have bigger empty land, rather than bigger build-up. Most standard Semi-D nowadays only have little land at the side, less place to run around, relax or plant something.

@BD then you shd buy a empty land and live on it with bigger space but 0 buildup

I dont think ppl will need bigger land but smaller build up. Want a space to run around, just drive to hypermarket you can run around with air cond build in too. ho ho ho

@Central unit
Why r u trying so desperately to defend your “dislike” for this project? From your feedback, I think you should buy an empty land 40×80, build your house with a buidup of 40×80 and park your car outside.

Actually the ‘dislikes’ or criticism for any housing projects can create awareness in our property purchase. Just listen with a pinch of salt and go to the site to survey ourselves. You’ll be amazed by how much u can find by driving round the site at different time of the day. Also, it’s helpful to speak to the locals around that area to find out things like flies and flood. We houser buyers need to protect ourselves.

@Ah Qua
It’s actually good to have different kinds of input and opinion, either good or bad. It’s also ok for some people who does not like their opinion being challenged and try to proof that he/she is right. But, he/she has to give facts, not non-sense.

Just wnet to the site again this morning, found out it is too near already. The Wikimap has not updated with the new chic farm which is more nearer. Even can hear the chicken noise from the farest unit.

Honestly….I hopeless….not worth to buy like Central Unit said…not in square sharpe…

if land area n built-up “kecik”, dont even bother to commend on it !!! why waste time?!!! look elsewhere !!! plenty of other projects around!!!

@Hope
Wah sai … Farest unit also can hear Chicken Noise …
Like that Jia Lat … Sure have many Flies and Wonderful Shit Smell liao, like Pearl Garden, Villas, Indah etc …
I will forget about it liao …

How about Jesselton Hills? Also near to Chicken Farm?

Permatang sanctuary linked semi-d land 33×80 (2640sf), ground built-up 20×47 (940sf), RM438k.

Jesselton Hill semi-d land 36×72 (2592sf), ground built-up 26×44 (1144sf), RM588k (I guess this will be the new price after this weekend).

PS linked semi-d actually has bigger land and bigger car porch than JH’s true semi-d. It will be nice if IJM can give a built-up like 24×43 (wider but shorter), I guess should not cost much extra in building cost kua… Anyway, the price of RM438k is only “estimated” price.

@Hope
If can, pls update the location of the new chicken farm on wikimap. Is it just south of the site?

@KH
Again, you can refer to wikimap. Someone put it as “Chicken Hills”! Also noted one just side by side with Desa Impian! I can’t confirm whether they are true or not.

@BD
Thanks for the info …
Btw, r u going to visit the soft launch tomorrow leh ?
If u r visiting the launch, Could u pls help to further update confirm on the chicken farm location …

@BD & KH & all;

I am local to the area, trust me, I consider my self as the expert in this project. I already do alot of survey and I even have all the lot price and size. For Semi D – Actually there are only about 4 unit with RM485K (Original Price B4 RM20K discount), 10-15 unit with RM532K above…..so very limitted. I thought to Q at tomorrow early in the morning, but with the inof and again visit to the site again….I totally give up….

@KH
I don’t think I will susah payah go into the area to find out about the chicken farm… if got motorbike then it’s ok. Hope that Hope can help u.

From the wikimap, the chicken farm just next to Jesselton Hill.
http://wikimapia.org/#lat=5.3160904&lon=100.4879093&z=14&l=0&m=b

@BD
No need motorbike, from Impian Indah you can see clearly..

@Hope
From Wiki Map, I saw a Extremely Berry Big Chicken Hills located just beside the Jesselton Hills leh … Shit, Seems like the DNP Sales Gals are Cheating … She Said Many Many Flies was due to they used Shit as the fertilizer to plant the surronding flowers leh …

But why there is not indication of Chicken Farm just beside Permatang Sanctuary leh?
Is it the Triangle Shape one?

only few flies in the sale office today, look like mainland ppl are smart consumers.

the chicken farm location can be seen here
http://bursadummy.blogspot.com/2011/12/ijm-is-coming-to-town.html
according to the article, most units already taken up despite located next to the chicken farm

the most critical thing i heard from others is there have a mosque with 2acres land in this project. Not sure it is true or not.. If there is a mosque build in here, that’s mean will have malay graveyard here. Anyone can find out about this?

The proposed mosque is at the apartment side. For the retention pond, I don’t find it appealing at all… Really not many flies at the sales office, perhaps seasonal, or the farm practice good hygiene… Need to ask those staying at Impian Indah.

Central unit,
U said only few flies in the office is referring to only few buyers during launching or the real flies?? Hahaha.

Hey. if there is chicken farm next to Jesselton Hills, how come everytime i go to the show house i don’t smell chicken smell? Did anyone smell that before? In Pearl Garden / Indah, definately can smell it but in Jesselton Hill, not too obvious…

Not too obvious mean have loh …. if you have a dog nose, sure u cannot tahan it d …… Jesselton Hill, sorry, a ‘no’ to me ….

jz return fr the sale office. they mentioned v can depost 10k to book a house, but if nt satisfied can get full refune???? d link semi=d nw is selling 474k, but saw the built up only 900++ really a little bit small…any comment? parent is asking me to decide by tonight…=-=

i think the house is worth to buy.
semi-detached
* land area is 30 x 98. The length is long and the width is bit small
* build-up area is 22 x 48 – equal to terrace house
with price of about RM500K, 2940 sq feet, I think is not expensive ..

Car porch is 30ft (great car porch)
House is 48 ft
Back yard is 20 ft (great back yard)
Just that build-up is bit small

i am looking for linnk. cant really affort semi-d with 3k salary only

with 3K salary – will be difficult to buy a house of more than 100K.

400k or 500k?

no 400k. link semi d 468k, semi=d 568k

Location no good ! that why price is cheaper compare to others BM housing development.

The location is good. Flood free area bcos my cousin land is just beside the area. is cheap bcos the built-up area is bit small. Sample house only ready by May 2012. 45% of the house has been sold. 6 feet tall perimeter wall, with one guard house at the entrance, therefore security is good. If any one want to buy, buy before the show house is ready. RM10K discount. Good location house and non-bumi lot almost finish.

I just book Lot No. 28

The chicken farm land near the area is belong to my cousin. Many developers have approach them but they still do not want to sell the land. They are asking for RM30 per sq ft but developer just want to offer them at RM17 per sq ft

@alice, u seen so hard sell d place. btw, it is a fact that chicken farm do bring flies and hygene problem to nearby citizen. cant imagin hw wil it be when rain. when think of visitor complain about the surrounding cleanness when they come to our house,there’s gone the mood. there wil always be negotiation for the price if developer is well concern for the buyers.

The most critical thing even chicken farm near Pearl Villas, Pearl Garden, Pearl Indah @ Pearl City, Juru Height etc many people still buy and sold out.

@max , sold out ,and then now they kept complaining , nonstop since house warming

jz visit their show house…really…the room very very small, even the master room….small and tiny, the chicken farm smell, OMG…i can smell it heavily….swt, gonna take bek d deposit rite forward

Chan – are you sure you visit the show house? the show house will be ready only by May 2012? Tambun bungalow also got a lot of flies — but still the rich people staying there !! Many complaint about flies — but the house there still sold like hot cake. if you don’t buy now and if the chicken farm land sold, then the houses will be very expensive. Buy house is for long term investment. Eventually, the chicken farm land will be sold .. so, don’t worry

ya…probably the chicken farm wil rebuild into 2 storey farm as they get more and more famous. i visited the show house although stil not yet completed.

Not yet launch – 67 out of 125 non-bumiputera lot have been sold (53% have been sold). those who want to buy, need to hurry up. Good location limited left ..

What a fun and jokes on this project……

@Alice
no one can guarantee anything to the chicken farms…there is always a risk for investment to think so…price close to half million, you really need to decide carefully…

my friend doing the double track project thr. he mentioned the around is flooding always. yet, the site is far far located too inside…around 500k, too must to be concern…

the flood is at the other side – the old small industrial area .. the developer will make the land higher by 2 feet.

I got a friend went to the chicken farm at that area for audit recently and suprising she said that there is no smelly chicken smell at the farm at all! I think the farm in that area use high-tech method to rear chicken.
So i think it’s a good buy landed properties. Somemore it’s IJM and not the hanky panky developer.
Price wise, i believe it will appreciate as years past and it’s a long project for IJM(100acres land). The next phase will build semi-D and bungalows. So the area will become like DNP BM Utama..classy living communities..
Also it’s near to Juru industries and Tambun Science Park….

even flood is nt at tat particular area, but ppl living nt just staying inside the house. it is not convenience if dey have to go out else place.but most important is, the flood issue still exist! that’s d point!

Any chinese primary and secondary school near by the project? Knowing that ICH and Tesco is there. Thanks

Chinese primary school: Permatang Tinggi 1km, Sin Ya 2-3km.
Chinese secondary school: Jit Sin Sg Rambai 15-20min, Jit Sin Independent 20min, future Jit Sin SPS branch 20min.
Aeon (Jusco) also bought a piece of land opposite Tesco.

BD, Thanks for good info. Look like is startegic location for the purchase.

IJM developer — I think not bad. If not why penang and kl people need to queue up to buy!!

I went past the project site yesterday and see the project is moving fast. Lanscape of the area near show house(very nice) almost done and ready for show house open in May.

i think it’s a good buy as a reputable developer(IJM). With the price of 500K++ for a semi-D is worth especially BM area as BM area is limited land area….eventually the price of house at this project will go up in 2-3years time when the phase 1 completes…

@Rocket
That area is considered as Permatang Tinggi, not BM area. No Gated perimeter fencing and just a guarded only will cause lot of security issues later if looks on the nearby taman and surrounding areas. Wonder why IJM not make it into G&G instead?

it’s a gated but not guarded concept. it has a 6ft tall concrete wall surround it in future. only residence inside the garden can use their respectively field without sharing v others. same appeal to their road. no ppl can bypass ur home unless is own neighbourhood.

@chan
What u describe here is like gated & guarded with strata title, where facilities and roads inside the taman are only shared by its residents.

As far as I know, gated community refer to gated & guarded, as it will be useless if gated but no guard, outside people and cars can still go in without guard. Whereas guarded community means guarded by guards only, where gates are illegal, but the roads and fields inside will be shared by the public.

I also heard before that IJM plans to put surrounding gate later, may be can change to G&G later? Or just a trick to attract buyers?

I’m a buyer of Sactuary Garden. IJM do not have a plan for gated. It is only guarded. One guard house will be built at the main entrance and the residents there have to pay to the guard’s company. There are no rules imposed by IJM. Not like gated and guarded, where there tons of rules and resident have to strictly follow all the rules. Sometime, we need to have some freedom for friends/relatives to visit us. For gated & guarded, it was so inconvience for friends/relatives to pay us for a visit. With guarded, I think security is almost there. Right now, I’m also staying at a guarded taman. So far, the security is fine.

d sell person tel me that they wil construct brick fence surround it? or only my misunderstanding? for me i prefer stay within own community.imagin evy home hv frenz visit evyday and open party will only disturb the neighbourhood. if the garden is open to outsider, nxt time ppl wil bypass and use the main road and u wil many ppl else go in and out without notice…

K9 – Permatang Tinggi is under BM area la…I live in BM for more than 30 years and i’m sure all about BM in and out…hahaha…

Alice – totally agree with you. as a local BM, i found G&G is troublesome and i have many friends staying G&G in other taman at BM has lots of problem and lots of maintenance fee need to pay e.g. RFID card entrance, planting tree, maintains the playground,etc..G&G looks nice outside but lots of problems inside the taman.
Hence,guarded is good enough….

@BD

BD, You are absolutely right on guarded(G) only and guarded with guarded(G&G) concept ! only G&G with strata tile can have perimeter gate, just guarded without gated will create lot of issue when/if nearby empty land are not belong to IJM and with other developer’s hand. Juru Height is one of the good example here ! You can see a small guard house with no security guard there now, this is due to other developers developed the nearby empty land and somehow make the roads there connected to other tamans. So no use to place a security guard there and that’s why sometimes we can see the security guard and sometimes no.
Another example is BM utama, now DNP still maintain the landscaping for whole tamans there because of they’re still having Phase 3 project there, eventually the landscaping will be surrenderred to MPSP one day, due to the Tamans there are all just a guarded only concept, do you think MPSP will maintain property the landscaping after developer? ;). This is questionable !……. and there’re still lot of empty land nearby its phase 3 .. That is questionable too !

@Rocket
Ya, simpang empat and may be Tambun also under BM ! 😉

@K9
Do you think that Gated and Guarded don’t have problem? Gated and Guarded have a lot rules, do you think people will follow rules?

@lost
if owner buy a house with GnG, they must follow the rules & regulations, this is common sense to follow before making decision. If wanna freedom, just buy a house without GnG or buy piece of land & build & design own house.

@monica
why should you spend so much of $$ and then you let the rules & regulations to control your freedom and lives ? Our lives are meaningless if everything is controlled. Like OV gated & guarded, cannot have pets, road is only 24feet, cannot plant your own tree and etc .. next time, I think durian also G&G will banned.

@Rocket
live at G&G house, your friends and relatives will slowly distance away from you. they don’t have the freedom to visit us anymore. ONLY Penang island people can accept the G&G house concept bcos they have been staying in pigeon house for long time with all rules & regulations similar to G&G.

If u want maximum security (G&G), you need to sacrifice some freedom (follow rules).
If u want more freedom (guarded only), you need to sacrifice some security.

Anyway, guarded only is better than no security at all. This depends on each person’s preference. Some may think that guarded is enough for them to have a peace of mind. Some people choose G&G not only for security reason, but also the uniformity of the houses exterior which looks tidy and nice to them.

By right for guarded only community, not only no perimeter gates are allowed, road block with boom gates etc are also not allowed. You can have a guard house there but the guard cannot ask u to stop or prohibit u from entering the housing area. The guards can only roam around to discourage thieves to break in the houses.

For BM Utama, I know that there’s a boom gate set up there, perhaps the area is still under DNP’s management? If follow the law strictly, it’s illegal. However, there may be many housing area which is not G&G but also set up boom gate/fence, esp Klang valley area. If no one complains, then usually one eye closed…

@K9
Simpang Ampat is in Seb Perai Selatan, thus not in BM. Tambun, Tasek and even Batu Kawan are under Simpang Ampat

@BD
Ya, i know. I just joking to @Rocket . Thanks.

@K9
OIC 😉

@lost
No doubt G&G will have problem too especially when some of the residents starting not following the rules and JMC not strictly enforce the rules. But if buyer plan to buy G&G for own stay purpose, normally they will first check with developer on do and don’t. If they forgot to check on that part, then they will be “alerted” by lawyer during signing S&P too, because beside signing S&P they’re require to sign another agreement called “Deed of Mutual” agreement, the do and don’t will be stated in that agreement. if the buyer already know the rules before signing S&P, and they still buy it, that is mean they’re fine to have that rules in place. 😉 if not, why they still buy it?

For G&G concept house, the obvious “punishment” that management office did to the hardcore resident who are few times breaking rule was inactivate their car’s access card, after several warning letter sent to them of course.

if buyer think they cannot accept the rules written in the Deed of Mutual’s agreement, then G&G definitely will not suit them. But if buyer think that the rules can make the whole G&G community & environment looks nice, neat and will be more safety in term of security/traffic, then G&G is a good choice to them.

p/s: JMC that voted by residents has right to remove or add the rules in the agreement. The buyer can be one of the JMC member so that they will have voting power on remove or addin the new rules later on!

@K9, you are indeed a big joker all time!

@Alice, i totally agreed with you. G&G is like a pigeon house to me…sorry to G&G supporter, no offense la…hehehe…

i don think is necessary to discus anyone preferance G&G or G concept, it’s much more important to determine wat concept tis development is using. will visit their sale office again tis few days and confirm about the existing of surrounding wall.

When to sign S n P? I heard that units that facing garden is more expensive.

SnP signing will be in May…the show house also will ready in May..

Yup, facing garden is ranging from 550K – 650K for semi D detached.

You can go to the IJM sale office at Rozhan road to check out…

I heard left 30% units only for phase 1. If you can wait, the 30% Bumi lot will be release after 80% completion and by that time, i bet the price is sky rocket! 😀

went to the site, got smelly “aroma” believe came fr chicken farm nearby, saw lot of bangla at nearby old shops…………………….regret! further checked with IJM sales rep, just guarded only without any CCTVs, the project got around 7 phases, security issue will be a major problem in future if just guarded only, no gated perimeter, clever’s bangla can easily find other routes to enter this taman in future………..regret again! But ……………….luckily yet to buy !

@Gupta,
izit the smelly aroma serious?yet,do they confirm wont have any fencing surrounding?i think d guarded only available 2years under developer,if in future no any contribution from the community inside, it wont have any guarded concept anymore…talked about the bangla, that’s d most issue concern about.i don like ppl sharing & bypass my garden as it wil low down our privacy but i also nt prefer it is a G&G concept as i nt willing to pay d monthly fees…

@Chan, sometime felt strong chicken smell, sometimes okay. think this depend on the wind’s direction and wind’s size…..regret!….sales rep told me lanscape will pass to mpsp after whole project completed, guard service will pass to RT – Rukun Tetangga that will be formed by residents. During that time, RT will collect money from residents on monthly basis for paying security guard. Depend on how much the monthly maintenance fees, if more, then can hire garderner to maintain the landscape, if less and not enough money, then need to depend on mpsp’s grass cutter…..regret again !…f residents there not willing to pay monthly fees, some pay some not pay, then will be no guard and no gardener….reason is the resident that willing to pay will become unwilling to pay when see their neighbour not pa ……..after heard on this……more regret!… ….seem like this guarded only project need to pay monthly fees also, eventually will be like a GnG…….like that better buy GnG straight away !

@Gupta
Why do u keep on shouting regret since you are yet to buy? Then what project do you think is good?

later wil go to check out the site. if really no fencing around which has little bit help to block the chicken farm smell, and horrible maintanance system, what can do is wait for the show house and take bek the deposit if not satisfied!!! if like this 450++k for tis concept is totally not worth!!

@BD, I plan to buy this project before i went to see the site, frens told me developer is IJM land, i thought developer good, location should good also. I reserved it and paid bridge toll and went there. After survey the site, really regret! not sure i can take back full amount of deposit now!

@Chan, you sure we can take back full amount of our deposit if not satified ? advise please?

@Gupta,
yup. the reservation letter write very clearly ful amount refund before signing s&p. there’s some problem list down which under concern.
1.chicken farm
2.bangla worker(security)
3.flood
4.location far fr city
5.price
6.future development
7.access
8.conveniency (skol, jusco confirm???)

@BD, Are you one of the buyer here? Do you have good housing landed project to introduce me at mainland? I’m from island, looking for own stay with family. Tqs.

@Chan, will go back check the reserve letter. Tqs.

@Gupta
You may consider Orang Villa at BMM. It is GnG concept….

@Gupta
I’m not a buyer. You said earlier that luckily u didn’t buy but suddenly u said that u already paid booking fee, that’s why i’m confused. You are quite “brave” as u can just place your booking just because of IJM brand, without even going to the site sales office to look around. Base on your demand, you can consider Orange Villa/Palm villa like JJ mentioned.

@Chan
chicken farm – yes, there are many chicken around that area.
Bangla Worker – yes, there are bangla there but this is guarded – should. Pay as you like no forcing
Flood – this is not a flood area
Location far from city – near to 2nd Bridge, 5km to Auto-City, 5km to BM town
Price – very reasonable bcos the land is spacious, can park at least 4 cars
Future development – this is going to be the most developed area in the future
Access – easy
School – 2 Chinese Primary School – 1KM and 2KM, 5KM Jit Sin High School and 8 KM new Jit Sin High School

@JJ
Orange Villa house is terrible — go see the show house by yourself – sure you pengsan

@lost
chicken farm and bangla, the most serious problem for any development..tat’s why i nv think about juru area.for flood, i can even show a lots of pic taken last year during April how terrible the flood is in front of tat area.for price, is better to hv a bigger built up rather den car pouch & 5km for a skol is really quite far away…no offense, i share my opinion jz to make myself clear about the site condition.

went to the office jz now. confirm dey wil built a 7ft brick wall surround the garden. the raod wil be share within outsider, but guard house stil depend community wana form or not. only hv plastering at 2nd floor and inprint tile for carpouch. the wall between neighbour only 5ft. wiring and tnb cable is underground. IJM wil maintain the garden for 5 years. currently site is doing earth filling while waiting for piling contractor to come in. show house and s&P wil be ready end of may’12

@Chan
don’t worry about the chicken farm — sooner or later the land will be sold. Flood area is at Taman Impian (the oldest housing area at Taman Impian) due to the old area do not have retention pond. For this new taman, there is a big retention pond. So, the chances of getting flood is low.

5KM is to school is not far lah. we all cars, school buses and vans. If you are looking for school near to the house, then I recommend you to buy Orange Villa — just walking distance —

bigger car porch are also important. most of the neighbours quarrel bcos of car park issue. nowadays, one house have at least 2 cars and when the children grow up, then need 3 or 4 cars. this is the issue that I have today. I have a 3rd car for my son, but I don’t have space to park. the 3rd car must park outside that causes neighbours not happy.

@Chan
Right now, I stay at Desa Palma and the community here just hire guard (24 x 7) to take care of the taman. we don’t have a community to take care of the guards. The guard company will take care the guards. We just pay to the guard company. Not all people are paying but we community here are OK. The community here are not that calculative.

5ft wall between neighbour should be OK already — 6ft is no good as we can’t see the neighbours and feng shui will also no good.

1st floor don’t have plastering is OK bcos usually people want to have their own plastering design/pattern

@Chan
after 5 years, ijm out from this project, residents will maintain whole tamans, not that easy to collect $$ from other residents to maintain whole phases of taman, i foress have issues in future. The road will share with outsider, then have a guard there for what then? useless la..i won’t pay maintenance fees if no force…hehe..

@lost

i stay beside desa palma as well. i saw the guard thr. they quite rajin ronda,but probably jz pattern only.it is clearly observe that desa palma road has soon become main road as all the car passby.the community face the problem when dey ned to go out fr their house as many car cross over.can c tat the field in ur garden is become very terrible nowadays.

i’ve no problem v d finishes, jz not so confortable with the room size and space..

@Chan
Desa Palma road is opened not like Sactuary where Sactuary road are all end-road. This make Sactuary better than Desa Palma. Anyway, Desa Palma used to issue with snatch thieves and break-in but we put guard all this issues goes away.

@kanasai
there is no monthly maintenance fee and why should we take care of the taman. Like any other taman, MPSP is taking care of them

@lost
if just depend on MPSP to maintain the landscaping, the original beautiful and nice landscape will sure koyak one….MPSP normally will just cut the grass and they won’t sweep, collect it into plastic bag after cutting..i saw my taman landscape is like that now..originally nice looks landscaping became bushes already..i’m not interested to this project anymore if like that…

@kanasai
landscaping to me is least important – as long as the grass are cut by MPSP frequently is fine for me. in this case, you need to choose Gated & Guarded house where you have to pay monthly maintenance for the pool, landscaping, guard and etc. Not expensive maintenance. Around RM150 per month — and will increase as years goes by.

lost :
@JJ
Orange Villa house is terrible — go see the show house by yourself – sure you pengsan

Halo, be careful t hav neighbor like ‘lost’. Pls go n see his comments in Orange Villa, 2heads snake….haha…

Tan Pek :

lost :@JJ Orange Villa house is terrible — go see the show house by yourself – sure you pengsan

Halo, be careful t hav neighbor like ‘lost’. Pls go n see his comments in Orange Villa, 2heads snake….haha…

well, I already bought orange villa house and I’m just telling the truth. I regret buying the house. that’s why there are a lot of negative comments on Orange villa — you can read it yourself …

@lost
Yes i also respect them as a human. Hope some buyer here can rent a house to them..anyway i still believe with Ijm reputation even still no show house.

i believe “lost” is the salesperson for this permatang sanctuary project. He/she always promote this project unreasonably. If u notice, he/she likes to sabotaj other projects in penang as he always talk bad about them. LAME tactic!

Bangla and farm will be an issue. Only gated community can stop bangla/foreign people from living in the community. They now also have a high taste like local people, no longer living in the flat, low cost flat or old single storey terrace house. At Juru now they live in new semi-detached two-storey and double storey terrace. Some place have to accept them as part of the community. Guarded community cannot block them in.

@lost

You better get lost !! people won’t trust your comments anymore. I dislike this kind of 2 heads people, as a permatang buyer, i shame on what you did lo..

@lost
There’s no “free lunch” in this world ! if you want your taman safety and always in beautiful looks, then you would need to pay for it after developer passed the taman to mpsp in the future ! if you’re just depend on mpsp, then do you think your taman will always look nice ? i don’t think so.

if our neigbours mostly like you, not willing to pay for monthly maintenance fees for the guard service and lanscaping maintenance in future, then the beautiful landscaping that built by ijm sure will become bushes one day when developer completed the project and move out from there. May be we will also see banglas who stayed at nearby gathering there, swimming and picnic at around the big retention pond/playground.

@Lost – if you haven’t bought a unit here, then pease don’t buy it, we don’t want selfish neighbour with us too !

to those buyer, can share v me why u choose tis development? and anything which take ur attention or any problem u may concern? thanks.

@chan

Negative side on guarded only development:
1. No gated, the guard no right to block outsider to use the main and internal roads as those roads are not belong to the permatang santuary’s community, in fact the roads are belong to MPSP.
2. Smelly chicken farm nearby
3. The development not in strategic location.
4. last time is one of the flood areas, that is why developer plan for big retention pond there.
5. All landscapings will be maintained by MPSP in future, it may become mosquito – aedes’s home if MPSP not come on time to cut the bush/grass. Retention ponds might become Aedes’s home too.
6. Hard to collect money for paying the guard services, not all residents willing to pay due to no enforcement on monthly maintenace fees.
7. Traffic always congested during office hours from Juru’s main road to permatang tinggi, you can take other routes with longer distance, waste time and money.
8. Nearby old taman and shops lot filled with lot of banglas, will create security issues.
9. Semi-D with terrace’s build up only.
10. Residents can re-design their house external outlook such as repainting with the color they like, build addtional external partial of building and so on, the outlook of whole taman not neat.
11. Pet’a poof such as dog’s poof will be here and there at roads and play ground or front of house, the poof might come from the house’s dogs/cats, wild dogs/cats later on.
12.The guard house at main road or internal road can be demolished by MPSP if getting complaint from outsider or nearby residents.
13.Seem likes nearby tis development still have empty land, if it is own by other developer in future, then potential re-open the end road of this taman is higher.

Positve side:
1. IJM is a branded developer, no doubt on house’s quality and material.
2. Cheaper house price.
3. Resident no need to follow the rules cause this is not GnG development.
4. No need to pay monthly maintenance fees for maintaining landscaping, retention pond, roads, guard services and so on.
5. Resident can repaint their house with the color they like or demolish whole house and rebuild it if they not like the current house design, provided they’re rich enough to do that.
6. 10mins to Tesco and future Jusco.

summ: Negative side(13 pts) more than Postive side(6 pts). Buy or not buy, you make the call ! 😉

lim construction :Bangla and farm will be an issue. Only gated community can stop bangla/foreign people from living in the community. They now also have a high taste like local people, no longer living in the flat, low cost flat or old single storey terrace house. At Juru now they live in new semi-detached two-storey and double storey terrace. Some place have to accept them as part of the community. Guarded community cannot block them in.

Guarded and Gated taman also can rent the house to banglas or to any foreigners

@chan
don’t listen to other. If you think, you like the place, just go and buy. IJM developer can be trusted

@wood
please don’t scare people from buying the house in this taman.

@shooter
ha ha – you don’t own the area. so, you cannot force people to pay for maintenance fees, security guard and etc. if you like to pay for all these fees, then, please join me at Orange Villa where it is complusory to pay for the maintenance fee. this taman is not suitable for you lah — go buy gated and guarded house lah ..

@Mr. Teh
i’m not a sales person. I’m property buyer

@lim construction
btw – i also have a double storey terrace house that i rent to banglas. their boss paid RM800/= for the rental — so why not rent to them. if rent to locals, highest i can get is only RM650. he he . . .

it is hope tat this 7 phase project can make the situation there better. As it’s consider as major development also, i think IJM should has some planning to upgrade the surrounding area.what really attract me is the move in of JUSCO and DNP commercial hub.ppl are affortable to buy 400k house, think should hv no problem to keep their garden clean and safe by paying some fee. but who noes, if future the place is left empty and less permanent resident staying, everything jz talking air and waste…

I think Mr lost is just giving moderate comments here.

Mr Wood gives a good review on this project.

@Chan

Alma is designated as a Pusat Petempatan Utama, where most of the future housing area will be concentrated here. That’s why Tesco & Jusco chose this area. If you don’t buy now and plan to buy later, almost certainly the price your going to pay will be higher than this, at least for the next few years. When IJM launch 2nd phase up to phase 7 later, surely the price will be higher. If u can accept its concept of not being a G&G, then it’s ok.

Went to orange villa’s site last weekend, location good behind state goverment’s office, GnG concept and show house not bad, looks big, grand and class. not many units left, at first plan to buy, asked sales rep how many buyers are from indian and malay, the answer is 0%, sales rep said buyers are 100% chinese as of now, i think will have problem to my family if i buy later on, cause only me indian family there. so not place deposit yet after think twice.

Forgot to ask Permatang santuary’s sales rep on have indian family there, anyone know how many % of indian or malay bought Permatang santuary as of now? advise please? may be need to looks back Permatang santuary.

So far malay 1 place deposit, Indian I think around 5.my lot neighbour Indian also…..

@Gupta
my current neigbbour is also Indian and we get along very well. One good thing is that, when I scold my children or quarrel with wife, my neighbour don’t understand – vice versa .. ha ha

@BD
IJM project had made a lot of rich people getting richer. During the soft launch, IJM invited their existing customer and gave RM20K discount. These buyer already automatically gain RM20K profit, if they sell the house after the launching. If you have $$ and dare to take challenges, go ahead and buy. I personally have bought 2 houses.

@lost
that is the reason why you support foreigners. Are this house also will be rent to foreigners? If yes, unlucky for those neighbour with you

lost :@Gupta my current neigbbour is also Indian and we get along very well. One good thing is that, when I scold my children or quarrel with wife, my neighbour don’t understand – vice versa .. ha ha

If neighbour Indian sure OK, If neighbour Malay or Chinese, OK to me too. But if neighbour are banglas, then better not.

@lim construction
rental is all about making money. if foreigners can pay you better than the local, why not rent to them. also, without foeigners working here, do you think there are houses for you to buy?? also, do not discriminate them. Do you listen to 1FM advertisement talking about foreigners ? if no, then, go listen.

Since a lot of development around the area, Banglas will be here to work for some time….but in time, they will move out. Secondly, this project only have semi-d upwards. In time, it will be known as prime development area as development progresses. In future likely to have more appreciation with the landscaping taking shape. Someone also said the chicken farm uses high tech method, not much smell. So it is manageable. In time, the price of land will be so high, it is better for owner to sell the land than to rear chickens for a living. So, it depends on whether you think long term or not. Short term, don’t buy. Long term, worth considering.

anyhow, the surrounding ade nt much changes. it’s depend an individu can accept it or not. by nw only wait until the completion of show house to c either it’s fulfil our requirement. my banker nw ade rushing me to sign d bank doc…=-=

There will be a new access road into the taman, further up beyond the current Asas Dunia development (messy) that will take you through the show village into Phase 1. So, out of sight, out of mind and you will be greeted by some nice landscaping. At least then, one can avoid the “mess” that so many are disgusted with. The new access will form a first good impression for anyone who enters Permatang Sanctuary. Hopefully the taman will really live up to its name called “sanctuary”. The 7ft perimeter brick wall will also give the taman a little privacy, not necessarily secure as it is only guarded. If choosing a unit with a dead end road, then no need to worry too much about disturbance from through traffic. Knowing IJM, I believe they will do a good job on the total landscaping and make this a pleasant hideout. Taken as a whole, it is a well planned taman.

@johnny
totally agree with what you say — look like you are the salesman there . .

It doesn’t really matter what we say or who we are. It’s all property talk and everybody has opinions….the good and the bad. The facts of the day is what matters. The success of the project depends on the demand…..and the take-up rate will speak for itself.

Jz get update from the SA, S&P signing will have delay since they have authorized problem in Land Office. They said maybe due to election which is jz around the corner. Hence, the show house also will ready by June (Promise earlier is by Apr/May). Guess we all just need to wait. Anyone here that had place booking? Mind to share which unit? Get to know each other cause soon we gonna be neighbor ady. Lol…

@K2
i when to site last week, saw d link semi-D is painted but the semi-d stil on brickwall only. the lanscaping i think only 30% completed.a way far from completion. for sure the show house opening wil be delay. one think to emphasis, the flies issue stil very serious. once i open my car window, the flies straight fly in. very anoying. really don hope i hv to seal my house in future to prevent this….

Pls go and see the Wiki Map, you will know how many Chicken, Pig, Duck farm are surrounding. That when i am not bring although tempted. Finally i bought Orange Villa.

KK447 :
Pls go and see the Wiki Map, you will know how many Chicken, Pig, Duck farm are surrounding. That when i am not bring although tempted. Finally i bought Orange Villa.

hi KK447, since you have bought OV, join the purchase club to support the team.. i wish i could be part of the team soon.

i saw the email from OrangeManic, will drop a mail to her. Sorry, should not talk in Permatang Site.

@Chan
What time of the day you went? I went thr few times but never have that flies prob and also no smell from the chicken poultry. It seem very clean when pass by. Maybe is due to construction site insects is still a lot. Jz wait till its completed. I guess environment will change when next phase coming after all 100 hectar of forest had been cleared. Yea,kinda delay in progress for the show house… But no point to rush since S&P is not ready for stamping yet. Which unit did u book?